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Originally posted by Vlad If I were you, just save up for these: It will be the last CD player you will ever buy

thats what i wanna get after i sell my numarks.

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I agree, but I figured that if $1400 was out of his pricerange, then $1750 was even more out of his pricerange! By far my favorite feature is the actively driven platter. This has been my biggest gripe about vinyl emulating cd players. If you truely want to emulate the vinyl feel, you have to have the platter move! I don't know about anyone else, but I don't make note abou how hard I'm pressing, but I do look at the strobe speed indicators on the side of the platter to see how much I am slowing the record down or speeding it up. If there is no spinning platter, then it doesn't emulate vinyl IMO.

For this reason, this would be the only vinyl emulator on the market (that I am aware of atm) that I myself would consider purchasing, if I was in the market for one. Though, I wouldn't really even consider buying one, because if you want the cd player to emulate vinyl, why not just go with TTs? I think that most trance djs will head toward that point at one time or another anyway. Sure cds are useful, so that is why I have them as part of my setup--to play cds with cd feel etc. Then I have my TTs to play all of my vinyl. Period. I don't want my cds to feel like vinyl. If I did, I would much rather spin the real thing rather than imitate it poorly.

Anyway, this deck is still a very very good one--even for a vinyl emulator The good thing about this deck is all of the features other than the vinyl emulation. The ability to cut out sections of the track on the fly is increadible, being able to play multiple tracks from the same cd at the same time is neat, though I don't know how exactly one would go about mixing that in properly. And it seems to be loaded with lots of extras and standards that should make it one of the best cd decks out there on the market right now!

The only thing to consider, again, is if you will actually get your money's worth. How many of those increadible features, like 3-way scratching, will you actually use? Cutting out a section of the track on the fly is something that I probably wouldn't trust myself to do live, and I can use software to be more prescise in my studio. They are pretty much one of the biggest ticket items that you can buy right now and being that you can get the brand new grand master MK5s for $1400 a pair, and the 1200mkII for $940 a pair or lower... Is there really justification in spending THAT much money? Shit, you could buy a pair of technics 1200MKII AND a pair of CDJ-100s and still have money left over to pick yourself up a pair of HDJ-1000s and still have enough to take your girlfriend out to a nice dinner. You can save even more if you go with the TTX1s over the 1200s.

My whole point is the justification of buying something that expensive. The grand master techs are a LOT, and is there really any big difference over the other techs that you would actually USE (ie an extra +/-8% pitch range was never needed in the last 20 years...) So unless you have a bunch of filthy money to throw away on this stuff, think about how to maximize the dollars that you do have. If I had $1700 to buy a whole setup, I would buy this:

Berhinger DX626 Mixer- $100
2X Numark TTX1s - $800
2X Pioneer CDJ100s - $600
Pioneer HDJ-1000s - $160
Never having to upgrade anything but your mixer - Priceless

Total Cost: $1660

The mixer gives you three channels with 5 inputs and 3 outputs. It is by far the best mixer in its class, considering the features that it has compaired to the price. This will allow you to use all of your equipment to a decent capacity until you can afford to buy a mixer which has individual channel volumes--which I couldn't find on a mixer under about $450 (though my search was not comprehensive). With all of this, you could upgrade to another mixer and only have to replace a $100 piece of equipment--no big deal considering the increadible use you can get out of it. Anway, I think that I'm really off-topic and so I'll stop now All prices and equipment I found on www.pssl.com

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Thanks for your replies guys!

Specially thanks to DJ Flesch for some great recommendations!!
It's cuz of guys like you, that makes this board so great man!! you really went in my position and gave me some good advices there mate!

Haven't decided me jet on witch of them I'm gonna buy, but my plans are a bit changed now.
Figured out that Axis8 isn't that much better then Axis9, and the extra cost aren’t worth it!

And my budget can't take it either.. hehe.

Well, seems like everybody on this board recommend Pioneer, and their stuff, and since CDJ-800 is way over my budget
The only one that is left is the CDJ-100. I know this is a solid player which does the basics, but not much more..
But hey, I'm totally newbie on this CD mixing thing, so I guess this is the best way to start! and later on,
I can upgrade my equipment...

To the mixer. As you recommend Dj Flecsh, the behringer mixer is a great choice, and after speaking with other
DJ's on this, they say I should go for it. And the price is nice to!! so I guess this is quality for the money!

But I'm going to try the Decks out next week, so I’m sure on what I will go for.. but as it seems now,
I'm going for:
2 x CDJ100s
1 x Behringer Pro Mixer VMX200

Again, thanks for the help!

Don't get the Pioneer cdj 100's over the Numark Axis 8's.... The numarks are a hell of alot better than the 100's.... What can the CDJ100 do that the Numark can't do better....Those Pioneer's are an artifact of cd technology...

My friend has the Axis 8's and I like them just as much as my denon 2600 if not better sometimes...

The Numarks can be upgraded over the net too, when new functions are introduced...Plus they are alot more fun than those boring Pioneers....

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Originally posted by pumavisor808 Don't get the Pioneer cdj 100's over the Numark Axis 8's.... The numarks are a hell of alot better than the 100's.... What can the CDJ100 do that the Numark can't do better....Those Pioneer's are an artifact of cd technology... My friend has the Axis 8's and I like them just as much as my denon 2600 if not better sometimes... The Numarks can be upgraded over the net too, when new functions are introduced...Plus they are alot more fun than those boring Pioneers....

Obviously there are cd decks that are better than the CDJ-100s. They also carry a price tag to reflect that! Sjodalf is on a tight budget, as it would seem, and so he would rather not spend the money for the Axis 8s. I counter this argument to you, why spend the extra $400 on features that 1) you don't need and 2) you may never use. If you read my posts above, then you would know that the Axis 8 has lots of features that are incorporated into most good mixers. And this way you don't have to buy the looping and effect functions three times over! You buy it once in the mixer and don't get cd decks that have these functions because you already have them in your mixer or external effects box.

To take a varient of JohnSmith's argument, there are two cases here:

1. You buy the best equipment right off the bat and don't need to upgrade, or

2. You buy your starting dj equipment and you either pay money to upgrade or pay money to add on.

The first case is only for people who have the will to save or the money to front the expense.

The second is for everyone who can't shell out 2-3 grand of the bat.

If you are in the second case, that doesn't mean that you have to buy crap equipment that you get rid of when you want better stuff. If you truely stick to cd decks, then you won't bother upgrading to turntables, you will get a second pair of cd decks that have all the functions of these top of the line decks.

My point in so many of these posts is that most people--ESPECIALLY trance Djs--will never use any of these functions, and so you are wasting your money on something that you could better put elsewhere, like in music.

So your main question is what can the CDJ-100s do that the Axis 8 can't do better. Well, my responce is that for all of the basic functions that you need to mix CDs, most CD decks are pretty much equal. My main question is, if the laser is the same, and the pitch control is the same, and the cueing is the same, then why spend more money to get these basic functions than you need to, if most trance Djs never use the advanced functions that you pay for?

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Price difference for the Cdj 100 to the Axis 8 = $99.00 per table. (this is from PSSL) And I'm sure you could find an even better deal somewhere else. That is not much of a difference for a table that can spin circles around the CDJ 100. Why not spend an extra $100.00 and get something that you won't have to upgrade for years.

As for the features...why wouldn't you use them?
The instant you get your hands on a cd player that can produce loops and hot starts and effects, you start using them. I guarantee that you would use the majority of the options on the deck. Meanwhile all the pioneer will do is play a cd and add some litte effect... where's the looping, hot starts, etc?

The pioneer is a second rate cd player now. There are so many other cd players out there that are better than this one.
If you want something comparable to the cdj 100- get the axis 2. This is even cheaper than the cdj.

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Originally posted by pumavisor808 Don't get the Pioneer cdj 100's over the Numark Axis 8's.... The numarks are a hell of alot better than the 100's.... What can the CDJ100 do that the Numark can't do better....Those Pioneer's are an artifact of cd technology... My friend has the Axis 8's and I like them just as much as my denon 2600 if not better sometimes... The Numarks can be upgraded over the net too, when new functions are introduced...Plus they are alot more fun than those boring Pioneers....

i have the axis 8's too.

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