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Originally posted by occrider The Israelis cannot destroy Hamas ... at best they can kill a few leaders, kill a few supporters, and limit the number of attacks against it. The true destruction of Hamas can only be accomplished by the Palestinians themselves ... in much the same way that Ben-Gurion eliminated the extremist Israeli terrorist groups in the 40's. And the Palestinians must take action on this issue if they wish a state of their own.

That's what I'm saying. The Israelis will never do it y themselves, but possibly with the help of pro-peace palestinians

Maybe they should just kill or caputre the Hamas leader who is now in hospital. He's just sitting there and invoking for more suicide attacks. But I guess the more hamas officials you kill, the more palestinians will hate Israel. A very tricky situation indeed. The real problem is those idiots are bent on destruction of Israel instead of creating a free Palestine, while the average palestinian mob doesn't see that and thinks they're fighting for the liberation instead.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Maybe they should just kill or caputre the Hamas leader who is now in hospital. He's just sitting there and invoking for more suicide attacks. But I guess the more hamas officials you kill, the more palestinians will hate Israel. A very tricky situation indeed. The real problem is those idiots are bent on destruction of Israel instead of creating a free Palestine, while the average palestinian mob doesn't see that and thinks they're fighting for the liberation instead.

That's a good point. Why the fuck don't they just go in the hospital and kill or capture him? He's right there on the the damn TV.

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Originally posted by Shakka Suicide bomber. Apparently an 18 year old student. yeah, real smart. Student of what??? What are they teaching over there?

fuck only knows, to be willing to kill yourself for relatively nothing like this is just stupid beyond belief. bad parenting.

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Originally posted by Project T fuck only knows, to be willing to kill yourself for relatively nothing like this is just stupid beyond belief. bad parenting.

hardly. more like brainwashing. monsters aren't born, they're created. and for those people (i.e. Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, etc.) there is a VERY strong cause. The Palestinians may be stupid in their own way, but there is a reason for these attacks.

Hamas is just ruining every ounce of legitimacy (of what little there was in the first place) to their cause as they continue to commit these killings. This is getting outright rediculous. Peace and a recognized state will never be achieved this way. If you ask me, I think that:

1) Hamas leaders are probably trying to hold on to their power. They see that once a Palestinian state is created they will no longer have people to control, manipulate and use.

2) I think some means of force needs to be applied to Hamas and the other groups. However, Israel should take no part in this forceful removal of the terrorist groups. It should be done by either (as Occrider mentioned) the Palestinian people, or some other Arab nation.

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Originally posted by intrinsic 2) I think some means of force needs to be applied to Hamas and the other groups. However, Israel should take no part in this forceful removal of the terrorist groups. It should be done by either (as Occrider mentioned) the Palestinian people, or some other Arab nation.

why shouldnt israel take part? they should look at ending the Hamas as "working together" rather than "Israel trying to end any Palestinian legitimacy." i know it sounds idealistic, but hey, thats my rant.

*edit* "they" refers to israel, palestine, and nations/groups supporting palestine.

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Originally posted by nic01445 why shouldnt israel take part? they should look at ending the Hamas as "working together" rather than "Israel trying to end any Palestinian legitimacy." i know it sounds idealistic, but hey, thats my rant. *edit* "they" refers to israel, palestine, and nations/groups supporting palestine.

It can only be Palestinians because there is too much resentment against Israel. If Palestinians see fellow Palestinians eliminating extremists they would probably see that as an effort to consolidate control and achieve peace. If Palestinians see Israel eliminating extremists they'll look upon that as further oppression and racism against Palestinians which would only strengthen the extremist camp ...

Edit: And if they see Palestinians cooperating with Israelis to eliminate extremists they'll view those Palestinians and Abbas as traitors who are only weakening the cause. I should work for the state department ... I think my policy analyses are not bad.

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Originally posted by nic01445 why shouldnt israel take part? they should look at ending the Hamas as "working together" rather than "Israel trying to end any Palestinian legitimacy." i know it sounds idealistic, but hey, thats my rant. *edit* "they" refers to israel, palestine, and nations/groups supporting palestine.

If Israel attempts to come in and dismantle Hamas by force it will definately be seen as a sign of aggression by the Palestinian people. I understand that there is no one more deserving to forcefully end Hamas's existence than Israel, but whats the point when you will have the rest of Palestinian population against you as well.

Sadly, I have learned over my 22 years taht some people will only learn/stop by force only. Talk will not always get the job done. If the next cease fire attempt fails due to the militants actions, I would love to see the UN Security council step in and do its job. Not sure if this is within their jurisdiction or not, but something has to be done about the militants (the same should apply to Israel if they are to blame). This has gone on long enough. Hell, if they ask for volunteers to go in and help force these people out, ill gladly volunteer. Im tired of these children dying for violent causes, disputes over land, and peoples unwillingness to live next to each other as brothers because of differences in religion. Especially religions that believe in the same God.

ill stop there... got a final tomorrow. pzeace.



EDIT: oh yeah, and what occrider said too.

Last edited by intrinsic on Jun-12-2003 at 07:45

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Originally posted by occrider It can only be Palestinians because there is too much resentment against Israel. If Palestinians see fellow Palestinians eliminating extremists they would probably see that as an effort to consolidate control and achieve peace. If Palestinians see Israel eliminating extremists they'll look upon that as further oppression and racism against Palestinians which would only strengthen the extremist camp ... Edit: And if they see Palestinians cooperating with Israelis to eliminate extremists they'll view those Palestinians and Abbas as traitors who are only weakening the cause. I should work for the state department ... I think my policy analyses are not bad.

what if israel only provided financial aide to any anti-hamas palestinian organizations, without providing any manpower? I mean, if the anti-hamas palestinians are making the initiative, and israel just follows them by funding their cause, then it would be the israelis cooperating with the palestinians, rather than vice versa. palestine would thus recieve the credit for eliminating the hamas, and problem solved. or am i still dreaming?

http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryNews/cs.cs-06-12-0007.html

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To that I asked her two easy questions. "What do you think would happen if Israel laid down its arms?" I asked. She shrugged, so I answered for her. "Israel would cease to exist very quickly," I said. She nodded in agreement. Then I asked her, "what do you think would happen if the Palestinians laid down their arms?" "Peace would break out," she answered.

saw this... not a really good article, but the one thing that got me was the last 5 lines.

Dunno if they would cease to exist, but they would definately not be left alone.

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Originally posted by Revolution hardly. more like brainwashing. monsters aren't born, they're created. and for those people (i.e. Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, etc.) there is a VERY strong cause. The Palestinians may be stupid in their own way, but there is a reason for these attacks.

true, but many of the terrorists grow up then join these groups, namely how a lot of al quaida operates.

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