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Originally posted by melech_mike GREED?!?!? WTF! I'll show you greed!

GREED ????????? DOES IT MEAN THE WHOLE ARAB WORLD BELONGS TO YOU ????????????

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I guess this map would work if "some people" didnt flow with their urge to shoot civilians, demolish homes with tanks, plow down cars driving in crowded neighborhoods with helicopter gunships, impose curfews, assasinate, destroy the infrastructure of many complexes, masacre villiages, and defy international and UN human rights violations...oh yeah did i mention oppression in this long list?

1.israel have the right to defend it self just like the USA do if israel is trying to kill someone its becuse he is a national threat and/ot responsable for the death of israeli peoples
2.demolish homes with tanks" - israel only destorys buildings and infrastructure that threat the people of israel or the boombers family house in the worst case
3.plow down cars " - youve got comfused that's the job of the arabs
4.impose curfews" - in every neiberhood there is 1-2 terrorists who will try to infiltrate weapons at night and meet with their other terrorists "friends"

5."masacre villiages, and defy international and UN human rights violations" - hey buddy you are talking about the most moral army in the world the americans will even call him stupid , when the US army need to take controll they are boombing the land and then checking if every thing is ded but the IDF is soo full of mercy and moralatty so they actually bother go house to house and check for weapons wich was found in a wide scale and that why our army sacrificed 17 of his soldiers for that cause, last year

soo dont give me that shit

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Originally posted by Viber 1.israel have the right to defend it self just like the USA do if israel is trying to kill someone its becuse he is a national threat and/ot responsable for the death of israeli peoples 2.demolish homes with tanks" - israel only destorys buildings and infrastructure that threat the people of israel or the boombers family house in the worst case 3.plow down cars " - youve got comfused that's the job of the arabs 4.impose curfews" - in every neiberhood there is 1-2 terrorists who will try to infiltrate weapons at night and meet with their other terrorists "friends" 5."masacre villiages, and defy international and UN human rights violations" - hey buddy you are talking about the most moral army in the world the americans will even call him stupid , when the US army need to take controll they are boombing the land and then checking if every thing is ded but the IDF is soo full of mercy and moralatty so they actually bother go house to house and check for weapons wich was found in a wide scale and that why our army sacrificed 17 of his soldiers for that cause, last year soo dont give me that shit

very well said

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Originally posted by Viber 1.israel have the right to defend it self just like the USA do if israel is trying to kill someone its becuse he is a national threat and/ot responsable for the death of israeli peoples

Any country has a right to defend themselves, but oppression is not a form of defence. In fact, Israel uses offensive measures which end up killing more innocent people.

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2.demolish homes with tanks" - israel only destorys buildings and infrastructure that threat the people of israel or the boombers family house in the worst case

I didnt know the ministry of Palestinian Health and Education are a threat to the Isreali populace....they were blown up by the IDF....and dont give me bullshit about those building housing
terrorists.

Also, I have seen with my own eyes homes housing elderly civilians being torn down...tell me, how is an 80 year old woman going to blow herself up, let alone walk into Israel with a bomb strapped to her chest.

Even if there are terrrorist activities occuring in an apartment building, does the IDF really have to blow up the whole structure?

Remember, you dont have to burn down a house to kill a few cockroaches!

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3.plow down cars " - youve got comfused that's the job of the arabs

I dont understand your english or whatyou are trying to imply, so let me rephrase what i meant. GUNNING down cars in crowded neighborhoods with helicopter gunships is not really a moral thing to do if you know there will be more civilians killed than suspected terrorists.

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4.impose curfews" - in every neiberhood there is 1-2 terrorists who will try to infiltrate weapons at night and meet with their other terrorists "friends"

In every neighborhood there is 1-2 people shot who the IDF thinks are trying to infiltrate weapons at night with their terrorist friends, even though it is later found that they are 15 year old kids hanging out.

You are so blind.
And who is Israel to impose a curfew. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not even their citizens!!!!!!!!!!

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5."masacre villiages, and defy international and UN human rights violations" - hey buddy you are talking about the most moral army in the world the americans will even call him stupid , when the US army need to take controll they are boombing the land and then checking if every thing is ded but the IDF is soo full of mercy and moralatty so they actually bother go house to house and check for weapons wich was found in a wide scale and that why our army sacrificed 17 of his soldiers for that cause, last year soo dont give me that shit

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHH.... the most MORAL???!?!?!?! Grow up... the whole world knows the disgusting behavviour the IDF is known for... MURDER...thats all i have seen. YEs their are some operations that are successfully and humanely done, but most of the actions of the IDF are pompous and unmerciful.

Boo Hoo.. 17 Israeli soldiers killed..... what about the thousands that are sluaghtered throughout the occupation by your military. And might I add, your Prime Minister is a WAR CRIMINAL!!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Any country has a right to defend themselves, but oppression is not a form of defence. In fact, Israel uses offensive measures which end up killing more innocent people. I didnt know the ministry of Palestinian Health and Education are a threat to the Isreali populace....they were blown up by the IDF....and dont give me bullshit about those building housing terrorists. Also, I have seen with my own eyes homes housing elderly civilians being torn down...tell me, how is an 80 year old woman going to blow herself up, let alone walk into Israel with a bomb strapped to her chest. Even if there are terrrorist activities occuring in an apartment building, does the IDF really have to blow up the whole structure? Remember, you dont have to burn down a house to kill a few cockroaches! I dont understand your english or whatyou are trying to imply, so let me rephrase what i meant. GUNNING down cars in crowded neighborhoods with helicopter gunships is not really a moral thing to do if you know there will be more civilians killed than suspected terrorists. In every neighborhood there is 1-2 people shot who the IDF thinks are trying to infiltrate weapons at night with their terrorist friends, even though it is later found that they are 15 year old kids hanging out. You are so blind. And who is Israel to impose a curfew. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not even their citizens!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHHAHHAHHAHH.... the most MORAL???!?!?!?! Grow up... the whole world knows the disgusting behavviour the IDF is known for... MURDER...thats all i have seen. YEs their are some operations that are successfully and humanely done, but most of the actions of the IDF are pompous and unmerciful. Boo Hoo.. 17 Israeli soldiers killed..... what about the thousands that are sluaghtered throughout the occupation by your military. And might I add, your Prime Minister is a WAR CRIMINAL!!!!

Just when I thought I read enough garbage for a day..... You always pull through with the bullshit, don't you Cyrus!

I'll be sure to check in with the military when arrive in Israel; I miss my M16-katzar(short)! I'll be sure to be on the look out when I'm in Hebron... Cyrus - care to meet me there?

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Originally posted by melech_mike I'll be sure to check in with the military when arrive in Israel; I miss my M16-katzar(short)! I'll be sure to be on the look out when I'm in Hebron... Cyrus - care to meet me there?

Take about garbage....damn, kid! that post has garbage written all over, not too mention waste of internet space.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Take about garbage....damn, kid! that post has garbage written all over, not too mention waste of internet space.

Whatever ... it's ok. They're married, they do this all the time

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Originally posted by occrider Whatever ... it's ok. They're married, they do this all the time

oh right! i wonder what their kid is gonna be like....oy....

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Originally posted by melech_mike Just when I thought I read enough garbage for a day..... You always pull through with the bullshit, don't you Cyrus! I'll be sure to check in with the military when arrive in Israel; I miss my M16-katzar(short)! I'll be sure to be on the look out when I'm in Hebron... Cyrus - care to meet me there?

Is that the best you can do to make yourself feel better? Criticize the truth as Garbage?

And im not surprised you miss your gun...i wonder why?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Any country has a right to defend themselves, but oppression is not a form of defence. In fact, Israel uses offensive measures which end up killing more innocent people. I didnt know the ministry of Palestinian Health and Education are a threat to the Isreali populace....they were blown up by the IDF....and dont give me bullshit about those building housing terrorists. Also, I have seen with my own eyes homes housing elderly civilians being torn down...tell me, how is an 80 year old woman going to blow herself up, let alone walk into Israel with a bomb strapped to her chest. Even if there are terrrorist activities occuring in an apartment building, does the IDF really have to blow up the whole structure? Remember, you dont have to burn down a house to kill a few cockroaches! I dont understand your english or whatyou are trying to imply, so let me rephrase what i meant. GUNNING down cars in crowded neighborhoods with helicopter gunships is not really a moral thing to do if you know there will be more civilians killed than suspected terrorists. In every neighborhood there is 1-2 people shot who the IDF thinks are trying to infiltrate weapons at night with their terrorist friends, even though it is later found that they are 15 year old kids hanging out. You are so blind. And who is Israel to impose a curfew. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not even their citizens!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHHAHHAHHAHH.... the most MORAL???!?!?!?! Grow up... the whole world knows the disgusting behavviour the IDF is known for... MURDER...thats all i have seen. YEs their are some operations that are successfully and humanely done, but most of the actions of the IDF are pompous and unmerciful. Boo Hoo.. 17 Israeli soldiers killed..... what about the thousands that are sluaghtered throughout the occupation by your military. And might I add, your Prime Minister is a WAR CRIMINAL!!!!

ok you got me there buddy all the israeli army wants to do is to take a bunch of young soldiers and put them at great risk not becuse our army wants to defend israel but to just bug the palastinian people this makes a great sense...

i"ve got to realize that i have no point of arguing with people like you that can"t open up for idea's facts or opinions that will proove them roung you can keep saying that israel is bed and she wants to just abuse poor pal" and saying patterns and known ignorent sentences i"ve heard people like you say 100 times and that makes you not that special me on the other hand sceptical about the left about the right about bush but certainly i will defend my country from bullshit sayers like you
and i meant the 17 soldiers who were ded was just one ONE diabolical
action from them sons of bithes , and i'm intrested when did you helped your country and when did you did helf of what one israeli soldier do in 3 years of service for the safety and existence of your country?

and about the 1-2 terrorists in each neiberhood i can tell you for sure that one of the leaders from AL - Aqusta terrorists grous said that they have one men at least at each neiberhood and now do you know better then him??? noooooooooooooo!!!

and you idiot you know how each day i hear about secret tuunels and houses which the israeli army fond weapons and boombs inside -- no you havent i guess CNN dont talk alot about that stuff

keep in mind there could be a lot of traps for the israeli soldiers so its much safer to just bomb their 1 room mud house

Remind me never to post about the Middle East conflict again...

Cripes, man! I thought I'd learn my lesson from merely reading the posts on this topic. A real lesson to learn, and Melech_Mike you are correct - I do have a sincere interest in this conflict. I think everyone in the world should, but you are also correct in stating that my knowledge on this conflict is limited. I come across articles and opinions, and I take them for what they are worth - in some instances not much, in others I give them more weight.

But as for your comments on this topic in general, it is clear you are extremely passionate about this. So passionate, in fact, that you just can't wait to pick up your weapon of choice. I sincerely hope you don't have a happy trigger finger with this eagerness you show toward reunification with your favored weapon. With such comments like this, as well as comments that I've read from you in the past, I must say that your particular views on this matter are not quite as omniscent as they should be. I know others have criticized you on this in the past, which does little to round your views on the matter. I have found that those who believe in something so strongly and as severely passionate as you tend to create a tunnel vision of sorts, and refuse not to view any other thought outside their own with sincerity. Surely you realize this is the real problem in the Middle East for both sides, and seemingly the primary reason why there is no peace. Anger stirs more anger; violence bagats more violence. However, like others, I doubt my voice will make much of a difference to you or anyone who holds such extremes (and that includes extremist groups in the Palestenians).

It truly makes me sad, however, seeing a solution that appears to be so obvious to both groups continue to allude both, though they themselves know exactly what must be done for peace to ensue but ignore regardless. I do, however, wish you well, Mike, and hope you are safe in your tour of duty. Here's to hoping you, your family members, your friends, and even your future children may never have to pick up their weapon of choice.

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