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Originally posted by bachatu The Shure whitelabels are supposed to be for scratching, while having good sound quality. The M35x is a house/techno cart for mixing purposes (with good sound quality), not scratching. Ive never tried the whitelabels, but Im thinking they would not have an increase of sound quality over the M35x, thats what Im thinking. Part of the reason of why its so expensive (whitelabel) is because its a concord cartridge (you connect it straight to the tonearm instead of attaching to headshell). Also, because of its super tracking abilities (for scratching, according to Shure).

While you are on the right track about Shure Carts being some of the best in the world, you are Incorrect about WhiteLabels.
1. White Labels are for Mix/Spin (btw. it says so right on the packaging they come in.
2. Yes you can do minor scratching at low weight setting and you can do moderate scratching at higher weight setting.
3. The record wear is pretty much non existent.
4. they are not concords style, concords are two piece that is main piece and the styli, Shure White Labels are intergraded headshell carts and they are 3piece, main body as in the headshell, cartridge, and styli.
5. Shure WhiteLabel are much better at holding a record even at low weight setting than any of the Ortofons. When I got my pair of White Labels, I sold my pair of Ortofons Concords Pro DJ S(blues) 'cause I didn't need them anymore.
6. Replacement Styli are about 40% cheaper than ortofon replacements and you need to replace ortofon stylus quite often as I found out. With Shure WhiteLabels, it will be a LONG While b4 you'll need to replace the styli.
If you want an even better cart than WhiteLabels then try Shure V15VxMR

but they are $325.00 each!!!
if you want, I can get you Shure White Labels at $96.00 each plus shipping and any applicable taxes. Cheers...

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Glad you could clarify that the Whitelabel is not one piece. For some reason, i thought it was.
However, i do feel that some of the cost comes with the fact that it includes a headshell.
And as i did mention, low tracking weight required, so yes, in long run, vinyl may last longer.
I personally dont know anyone who has actually used and tested these carts. As we both know, manufacture can claim many things, but until they are tried and true (thats why ortofon are standard), we wont know. Though, Shure in general makes good quality products. Though I would like to see a long time Ortofon Nightclub cart user compare and review the Whitelabels

Personally though, if I was spending 100 per cart, I would go out and spend 15 bucks more, go with Ort nightclub S.

Last edited by bachatu on Jul-07-2003 at 21:06

i use whitelabels and thats for spining (no spinback or scratching never tired)
whitelabel sounds good for spinning and recording to my ears
but i dont think it was made for recording.

so would anyone know which is the best Elliptical styi or a replacement stylus for the whitelabel for recording??

Spherical styli = spinning
Elliptical styi = recording




there is a FScart package 890FS
its so cheap ?
but is it any good?

i own finalscratch but i dont think i want to buy that package just for recording or scratching.

Last edited by futurevision on Jul-09-2003 at 00:45

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Originally posted by bachatu Glad you could clarify that the Whitelabel is not one piece. For some reason, i thought it was. However, i do feel that some of the cost comes with the fact that it includes a headshell. And as i did mention, low tracking weight required, so yes, in long run, vinyl may last longer. I personally dont know anyone who has actually used and tested these carts. As we both know, manufacture can claim many things, but until they are tried and true (thats why ortofon are standard), we wont know. Though, Shure in general makes good quality products. Though I would like to see a long time Ortofon Nightclub cart user compare and review the Whitelabels Personally though, if I was spending 100 per cart, I would go out and spend 15 bucks more, go with Ort nightclub S.

Your gonna be spending a whole lot more when your gonna start to need replacing your styli. You will be on your 5th or 6th replacement, while Im still on my first styli with the whitelabels... enjoy the waste of money... oh and another thing, the ortofon replacement styli are more expensive than the whitelabels.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

How are the whitelabels with backcueing?

Why would it be a waste? And i didnt mention I did spend that amount, nor that I would pay that amount for carts, as I currently have the M35x. However, if i was to go that route and spend big money and 'go all out'... I would go with industry standard quality.

Ive never heard an Ortofon owner tell me they wasted their money. Same reason that someone who uses Technics, wont tell you they wasted their money, including me.
Just as you can compare a vestax and say it has more torque, more features, etc.... its better on paper, its that simple... still so many ppl on a daily basis continue to buy what is industry standard, Technics 1200.

Obviously, your in a position where you have purchased the shure whitelabel, and you are defending your purchase, as anyone else would. And of course, you may be more than satisfied with your purchase, as long as you are, thats all that matters.

I would like to say that I am a proud owner of Shure M44-7's and I just replaced my 2nd set after about 8 months of using them. The sound quality is mind-blowing. And I will admit, the only reason, well not only, but main reason I did buy these was that the price was almost half that of ortofon's. I have never had the pleasure to know what ortofon's are all about, so I will not argue that they are less superior than my shure's. I will assume the Whitelabels are better than M44-7's, only because why would shure make a lesser quality product.

Ricky has a good point about the industry standard deal. Ortofon's are exactly like technics, whoever has them, bought them from the hype, thats how we mostly buy everything. I bought the shure's cause the chick at guitar center showed me stats on both, and the shure's were better. Yes, the shure's were better. So I bought em' and I've been happy everyday that I made a great investment.

peace.

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actually shure m44-7's are the "industry standard" scratching cart. LoL looks like you did end up buying industry standards after all.
As, what's also known, generally some type of ortofon concorde cart (usually a nightclub) is the industry standard for clubs. Which is exactly the cart that the whitelabels are competing with. The sound quality should be the main issue, seeing as how on ortofon nightclubs have undisputable great sound quality, however its pretty much a fact that with shures the replacement styli is cheaper and ortofon wears quicker. Seeing as how I wouldnt be able to make a say in sound quality on the whitelabels or nightclubs - other than from what is said about them by reviews and responses. I've heard m44-7's and they're definately nice sounding - regardless of what u play, I would assume that the whitelabels would have quality sound as well.
I think what being labelled "industry standard" makes a product that much easier to buy, because after all, if its an industry standard then you know its quality - it really can't be bad generally, it is what the industry (most) uses after all.
Stats won't come in handy when you may get equipment thats unreliable and/or expensive to maintain. Shure carts however have been around for quite some time so no worries on unreliability generally.