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Konijn
Subverting Paradigms



Registered: Feb 2003
Location: New York City

quote:
Originally posted by YaleTrance
1. I think Tiesto does prove he's way superior to Ferry with his remix of Barber's Adagio. I always hated Ferry's remix, it doesn't do justice to the original at all. Although Ferry's quality of production was admirable back then, that remix is just too happy, prissy and shallow. The Adagio for Strings is supposed to convey dark and sorrow emotions. Tiesto successfully took Barber's original intentions to the dancefloor for the first time with an innovative dark tech twist that is not only representative of our time in electronic dance music history, but also stapled a new style of production in the canon of Dutch trance. Sure, if stale hands in the air superficial formulas are your thing, of course the Ferry mix is better.

2. I would love to know who these djs you say you know (that spin styles similar to Tiesto) are so I can give 'em a listen and compare their skills. I'd be truly amazed if someone else in this world has the creativity and the artistic depth to come up with better structured sets, with more elaborated harmonic intra-mix progressions and with more unique trance-inducing diversity of contrasts than Mr. Tijs Verswest. You would have to pair this off against sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6 live in Amsterdam, Impulz 2002, Dutch Dimension 2002 solo, TiC, etc. Armin and Ferry just don't cut it for me anymore, and I can say this after owning all of their mix compilations, countless live sets, and seeing them live in many ocassions. I'm sure history won't regard them as high as Tijs. If you delve into other genres I'm sure we can all find djs with more versatility and depth, but I'm talking about trance, and especially the dutch kind (which is the what I'm talking about here).

3. Ripping off as in sampling and quoting has long been accepted in higher art, in the electronic avant-gardes as well as in the classical establishment. How many melodies did Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky "borrowed" from others? Tons. As long as you do it with style, it's no problem at all.

4. The sound engineer is not the artist: he doesn't come up with melodies, harmonic structures, nuances or anything like that. Not everyone A sound engineer is just an efficient and helpful TOOL and INSTRUMENT, nothing else. It's like owning a million dollar/pound Stradivarious. He can afford it, and it improves his sound, what's wrong with owning it? It's not like he hasn't proved he has composition skills in the past.

Az, you're a cool guy and you're one of the few people I respect in this wanker infested forum. But we'll never agree on this topic so whatever, it's no big deal. No one cares. I'm out to see Mauro Picotto, later.


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Old Post Jul-12-2003 16:52  Greece
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dartrance
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Calgary

You got to love people who say they can mix better than him and know lots of people with more talent.. thats the biggest bullshit i have ever heard

Its always easy to find every negative flaw in the top artists today, but they got there for a reason.. no one is perfect

The man is one of the pioneers and even armin admitted if it were not for tiesto him or ferry would be nothing

So while some of you will keep complaining about how he missed a few beats in his mixes at space for example, the rest of us will enjoy it when he comes to town

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malek
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

do you guys go clubbing to scrutinize every damn error a dj makes? cause if you do, seriously, get a damn fucking life! you're the same idiots that spend the whole night trainspotting the whole set trying to figure out every fucking track and wich remix it was, like who gives a shit!?! Trance is a music to dance to and have fun.

fucking trance geeks, stay home!

don't fucking diss tiesto, dumb shits, he's risponsible in great parts for the "construction" of trance music. Do you guys all lost your memories? maybe you should slow down on the Es and pot

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Psiweaver
I DJ 120,000 Massives



Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Culver City United States

Tiesto got where he is today because of his skill. Record labels don't pick up people who suck, obvisously he has skill and he's worked hard to get where he is today.

Old Post Jul-13-2003 08:58  United Kingdom
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technofan
Junior tranceaddict



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Braunschweig, Germany

I just can't stand it when ppl start hating DJ's (they might have even admired before) just because they get popular!

There may be different tastes, but it's one reason that brought you (whoever is reading this forum) here:

You like/love/die for Electronic Music

Maybe you're even one of those (like me) who hate commercial-tv-dumbass-chart-music...

But just because your favorite DJ is playing on TV should not encourage you to start hating him!

They're doing so much for us - what have YOU (whoever hates whatever DJ) done for the community???


I like so many styles of electronic music - maybe not everything, but I would never go so far to give a DJ credits that way!

Love, Peace & Harmony - thats what's all about it - Electronic music brings ppl together in all kinds of ways - try to realise this!

At The Love from Above, I was standing right in front of Tiesto - He looked @ me just after I made a picture. I showed him a "peace" (you know, the V-sign with 2 fingers). He pointed @ me, nodded to the rhythm and smiled! These things are more important for me than some sets/releases I maybe not like! (not that there are any for me! )

I would never sell his signed headphones for any sum a human can imagine!

Respect & Love is more important than money! If more ppl would think that way there won't be any war on earth!



peace & love rules!


technofan

Old Post Jul-13-2003 18:23  Germany
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seldor
Junior tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Estonia,Saue

nowdays lots of people talk that tiesto is shit... and dosnt have any skills , if he dont have any skills then why is he so famous ?!? how did he got famous ..ok i dont like his new songs... theyr are kinda commercial...but old magic series... arent shitty mixed...in my oppinion they are very good mixes....if you people cant play better then dont talk he is shitty ... maybe you are yourself shitty....


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Old Post Jul-13-2003 22:46  Estonia
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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by YaleTrance
1. I think Tiesto does prove he's way superior to Ferry with his remix of Barber's Adagio. I always hated Ferry's remix, it doesn't do justice to the original at all. Although Ferry's quality of production was admirable back then, that remix is just too happy, prissy and shallow. The Adagio for Strings is supposed to convey dark and sorrow emotions. Tiesto successfully took Barber's original intentions to the dancefloor for the first time with an innovative dark tech twist that is not only representative of our time in electronic dance music history, but also stapled a new style of production in the canon of Dutch trance. Sure, if stale hands in the air superficial formulas are your thing, of course the Ferry mix is better.

2. I would love to know who these djs you say you know (that spin styles similar to Tiesto) are so I can give 'em a listen and compare their skills. I'd be truly amazed if someone else in this world has the creativity and the artistic depth to come up with better structured sets, with more elaborated harmonic intra-mix progressions and with more unique trance-inducing diversity of contrasts than Mr. Tijs Verswest. You would have to pair this off against sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6 live in Amsterdam, Impulz 2002, Dutch Dimension 2002 solo, TiC, etc. Armin and Ferry just don't cut it for me anymore, and I can say this after owning all of their mix compilations, countless live sets, and seeing them live in many ocassions. I'm sure history won't regard them as high as Tijs. If you delve into other genres I'm sure we can all find djs with more versatility and depth, but I'm talking about trance, and especially the dutch kind (which is the what I'm talking about here).

3. Ripping off as in sampling and quoting has long been accepted in higher art, in the electronic avant-gardes as well as in the classical establishment. How many melodies did Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky "borrowed" from others? Tons. As long as you do it with style, it's no problem at all.

4. The sound engineer is not the artist: he doesn't come up with melodies, harmonic structures, nuances or anything like that. Not everyone A sound engineer is just an efficient and helpful TOOL and INSTRUMENT, nothing else. It's like owning a million dollar/pound Stradivarious. He can afford it, and it improves his sound, what's wrong with owning it? It's not like he hasn't proved he has composition skills in the past.

Az, you're a cool guy and you're one of the few people I respect in this wanker infested forum. But we'll never agree on this topic so whatever, it's no big deal. No one cares. I'm out to see Mauro Picotto, later.

1) The Ferry Corsten mix is possibly the greatest track ever, I don't think Ferry was trying to stay too true to the original, as it is a fairly sombre piece, but what Ferry has created is a tune so unbelievably epic, that very few tracks have ever come close to it. If you say thats stale, you need a slapping
as for the Tiesto mix, we're gonna have to agree to disagree, cos I think it's gash

2) I didn't make it clear, I thought Tiesto was good pre 2001. I say good, not excellent, as his beatmatching has always been poor, but I loved the first 6 of the magik series, his trance energy and innercity sets etc, but the change in style was what got me. It seemed so dramatic, and before you can pin me down on the whole "he eveolved, you didn't" thing, I liked the tunes he was playing, it just seems beatmatching, and set structure went out of the window, in a relentless pursuit to be Paul Oakenfold. He even finished on CJ Bolland - The Prophet with standard jesus pose

3) Dallas 4pm = Slide - Closure
The whole reform/ suburban train thing (which tbh I'm not too fussed about, I fucking love suburban train )
and the answer to whether or not he did with style? the jury's still out

4) Try telling Armin that
compare the Tiesto "power mixes" with the kosheen and moby remixes. I can't honestly see the guy changing his style THAT much in 2 years, without a change in engineer, or "outside" influences ($$$$$$$$$$$)




hope picotto was cool mate, look forward to your reply

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The Master
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Bogotá D.C.

quote:
Originally posted by Az
1) The Ferry Corsten mix is possibly the greatest track ever, I don't think Ferry was trying to stay too true to the original, as it is a fairly sombre piece, but what Ferry has created is a tune so unbelievably epic, that very few tracks have ever come close to it. If you say thats stale, you need a slapping
as for the Tiesto mix, we're gonna have to agree to disagree, cos I think it's gash

2) I didn't make it clear, I thought Tiesto was good pre 2001. I say good, not excellent, as his beatmatching has always been poor, but I loved the first 6 of the magik series, his trance energy and innercity sets etc, but the change in style was what got me. It seemed so dramatic, and before you can pin me down on the whole "he eveolved, you didn't" thing, I liked the tunes he was playing, it just seems beatmatching, and set structure went out of the window, in a relentless pursuit to be Paul Oakenfold. He even finished on CJ Bolland - The Prophet with standard jesus pose

3) Dallas 4pm = Slide - Closure
The whole reform/ suburban train thing (which tbh I'm not too fussed about, I fucking love suburban train )
and the answer to whether or not he did with style? the jury's still out

4) Try telling Armin that
compare the Tiesto "power mixes" with the kosheen and moby remixes. I can't honestly see the guy changing his style THAT much in 2 years, without a change in engineer, or "outside" influences ($$$$$$$$$$$)




hope picotto was cool mate, look forward to your reply


whoa dude all those smiley faces make you look nervous, and your reply isn't too clear either. i think YaleTrance is right.

Old Post Jul-13-2003 23:38  Colombia
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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by The Master
i think YaleTrance is right.
it's because he used big words you don't understand
it's not hard
Everything begins with an E

Old Post Jul-13-2003 23:40 
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The Master
open your mind



Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Bogotá D.C.

quote:
Originally posted by Az
it's because he used big words you don't understand
it's not hard
Everything begins with an E


even trying to be funny you suck

Old Post Jul-13-2003 23:50  Colombia
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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by The Master
even trying to be funny you suck


I hardly think you're going to find me taking the piss out of you funny
and I've re-read my post, asked others to read it, and noone else seems to be confused. Can you please quote the passages, and explain to me whats so difficult for you to understand?

Old Post Jul-13-2003 23:54 
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The Master
open your mind



Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Bogotá D.C.

quote:
Originally posted by Az

I hardly think you're going to find me taking the piss out of you funny
and I've re-read my post, asked others to read it, and noone else seems to be confused. Can you please quote the passages, and explain to me whats so difficult for you to understand?


nothing, i understand everything you said, but comparing your post with the one from Yale Trance, yours' seems more like the words written by someone with huge frustration and hate towards Tiesto?

Old Post Jul-14-2003 00:13  Colombia
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