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dartrance
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Calgary
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You got to love people who say they can mix better than him and know lots of people with more talent.. thats the biggest bullshit i have ever heard
Its always easy to find every negative flaw in the top artists today, but they got there for a reason.. no one is perfect
The man is one of the pioneers and even armin admitted if it were not for tiesto him or ferry would be nothing
So while some of you will keep complaining about how he missed a few beats in his mixes at space for example, the rest of us will enjoy it when he comes to town
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Jul-13-2003 02:21
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seldor
Junior tranceaddict
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Estonia,Saue
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nowdays lots of people talk that tiesto is shit... and dosnt have any skills , if he dont have any skills then why is he so famous ?!? how did he got famous ..ok i dont like his new songs... theyr are kinda commercial...but old magic series... arent shitty mixed...in my oppinion they are very good mixes....if you people cant play better then dont talk he is shitty ... maybe you are yourself shitty....
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Jul-13-2003 22:46
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Az
took me all the way back

Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics
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quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
1. I think Tiesto does prove he's way superior to Ferry with his remix of Barber's Adagio. I always hated Ferry's remix, it doesn't do justice to the original at all. Although Ferry's quality of production was admirable back then, that remix is just too happy, prissy and shallow. The Adagio for Strings is supposed to convey dark and sorrow emotions. Tiesto successfully took Barber's original intentions to the dancefloor for the first time with an innovative dark tech twist that is not only representative of our time in electronic dance music history, but also stapled a new style of production in the canon of Dutch trance. Sure, if stale hands in the air superficial formulas are your thing, of course the Ferry mix is better.
2. I would love to know who these djs you say you know (that spin styles similar to Tiesto) are so I can give 'em a listen and compare their skills. I'd be truly amazed if someone else in this world has the creativity and the artistic depth to come up with better structured sets, with more elaborated harmonic intra-mix progressions and with more unique trance-inducing diversity of contrasts than Mr. Tijs Verswest. You would have to pair this off against sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6 live in Amsterdam, Impulz 2002, Dutch Dimension 2002 solo, TiC, etc. Armin and Ferry just don't cut it for me anymore, and I can say this after owning all of their mix compilations, countless live sets, and seeing them live in many ocassions. I'm sure history won't regard them as high as Tijs. If you delve into other genres I'm sure we can all find djs with more versatility and depth, but I'm talking about trance, and especially the dutch kind (which is the what I'm talking about here).
3. Ripping off as in sampling and quoting has long been accepted in higher art, in the electronic avant-gardes as well as in the classical establishment. How many melodies did Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky "borrowed" from others? Tons. As long as you do it with style, it's no problem at all.
4. The sound engineer is not the artist: he doesn't come up with melodies, harmonic structures, nuances or anything like that. Not everyone A sound engineer is just an efficient and helpful TOOL and INSTRUMENT, nothing else. It's like owning a million dollar/pound Stradivarious. He can afford it, and it improves his sound, what's wrong with owning it? It's not like he hasn't proved he has composition skills in the past.
Az, you're a cool guy and you're one of the few people I respect in this wanker infested forum. But we'll never agree on this topic so whatever, it's no big deal. No one cares. I'm out to see Mauro Picotto, later. |
1) The Ferry Corsten mix is possibly the greatest track ever, I don't think Ferry was trying to stay too true to the original, as it is a fairly sombre piece, but what Ferry has created is a tune so unbelievably epic, that very few tracks have ever come close to it. If you say thats stale, you need a slapping 
as for the Tiesto mix, we're gonna have to agree to disagree, cos I think it's gash
2) I didn't make it clear, I thought Tiesto was good pre 2001. I say good, not excellent, as his beatmatching has always been poor, but I loved the first 6 of the magik series, his trance energy and innercity sets etc, but the change in style was what got me. It seemed so dramatic, and before you can pin me down on the whole "he eveolved, you didn't" thing, I liked the tunes he was playing, it just seems beatmatching, and set structure went out of the window, in a relentless pursuit to be Paul Oakenfold. He even finished on CJ Bolland - The Prophet with standard jesus pose
3) Dallas 4pm = Slide - Closure
The whole reform/ suburban train thing (which tbh I'm not too fussed about, I fucking love suburban train )
and the answer to whether or not he did with style? the jury's still out 
4) Try telling Armin that
compare the Tiesto "power mixes" with the kosheen and moby remixes. I can't honestly see the guy changing his style THAT much in 2 years, without a change in engineer, or "outside" influences ($$$$$$$$$$$)
hope picotto was cool mate, look forward to your reply 
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Jul-13-2003 23:13
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The Master
open your mind

Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Bogotá D.C.
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quote: | Originally posted by Az
1) The Ferry Corsten mix is possibly the greatest track ever, I don't think Ferry was trying to stay too true to the original, as it is a fairly sombre piece, but what Ferry has created is a tune so unbelievably epic, that very few tracks have ever come close to it. If you say thats stale, you need a slapping 
as for the Tiesto mix, we're gonna have to agree to disagree, cos I think it's gash
2) I didn't make it clear, I thought Tiesto was good pre 2001. I say good, not excellent, as his beatmatching has always been poor, but I loved the first 6 of the magik series, his trance energy and innercity sets etc, but the change in style was what got me. It seemed so dramatic, and before you can pin me down on the whole "he eveolved, you didn't" thing, I liked the tunes he was playing, it just seems beatmatching, and set structure went out of the window, in a relentless pursuit to be Paul Oakenfold. He even finished on CJ Bolland - The Prophet with standard jesus pose
3) Dallas 4pm = Slide - Closure
The whole reform/ suburban train thing (which tbh I'm not too fussed about, I fucking love suburban train )
and the answer to whether or not he did with style? the jury's still out 
4) Try telling Armin that
compare the Tiesto "power mixes" with the kosheen and moby remixes. I can't honestly see the guy changing his style THAT much in 2 years, without a change in engineer, or "outside" influences ($$$$$$$$$$$)
hope picotto was cool mate, look forward to your reply |
whoa dude all those smiley faces make you look nervous, and your reply isn't too clear either. i think YaleTrance is right.
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Jul-13-2003 23:38
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