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Originally posted by tiesto14 Tiesto already sold out a long time ago...and his producing is getting worse....compare his productions from 98-01 to 02-03....Tiesto, as much as i love him, is a pop star.....only pop stars get featured on Coke cans

He is a pop star...

DJs I like better than him now:

Misja Helsloot
Markus Schulz
satoshi tomiie
sander k
sasha

(You can argue sasha is as big as tiesto though)

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yes, but sasha's not so public as tiesto. Look at a comparison from the rock world. Let's take Metallica and Tool for comparison. Metallica is the definition of sellout. Everything they do is for media attention, but the truth is they just plain suck ass now. Tool's quality has remained consistent, and really do you see them doing interviews/tv spots/constant appearances outside of concerts? No, but they are still amazingly popular. That's like the difference between say a Tiesto and a Misjah. Tiesto is all about the public appearnaces and getting the music known to more people. You can look at it two ways : either this is good for trance that he's trying to spread popularity of the genre to a larger audience and help the state of the music along or he's just selling out to get popular. (IMO it's a bit of both, but that doesn't matter right now.. heh) Either way though wtf.. you like his music, listen. If not, don't. Sellouts aren't always a bad thing for one reason. It creates competition, and as we should know from economics, competition makes a product by the competitors better. By Tiesto being as popular, it will drive others in the business of producing to make more quality tracks. Now is that so bad?

I dont believe in the word Sell-Out for starters. People work hard to promote themselves coz they wanna share the music to world (and of course make some money) they are just making it in the world and people always say they sell out. Alot of ppl i know dont listen to certain genres of music becoz they think it "too mainstream" i think it just means they dont care about the music anymore, its more like a "fashion/cool" thing to listen to something not many ppl arent into.

anyway thats what i think. oh yeah trance will always be number one for me.

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The word mainstream has a few uses. The first is so that people who don't listen to "whatevers popular/so called fore fed the music industry decides what we listen to music" can feel special about there music. The second is so that people who don't listen to that type of music can feel special.

Conversely underground music is whatevers not on mtv or the radio.

All the big djs are pop stars. Pop=popular and when someone gets there own radio show or gets a bajillion people for his live "concert" or whatever you know he's pretty damn popular. Neither word means anything, and I'm sick and tired of both of them.

Misja Helsloot, best dj atm.....i think anyways...

I was actually talking to this guy this morning about the same thing - and I found it quite hard to explain to it to him - Paul van Dyk tracks are played on the radio - would that be underground or mainstream? The best way to find your answers is to listen to alot of livesets, study the tracks, and do some research on the artists, so forth. There isnt really a simple answer to your question. As you "grow" with the scene, you'll find it easier to understand.

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Mainstream, Main Stream.. Stream Main

Mainstream is what's streamd mainly..

Mainstream in Sweden are Brittney Spears and other f*ckers like Justin Tibmerlake and boybands.

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Originally posted by Omegasox Yeah, mainstream is different depending on what part of the world you live in. Also, there is no true definition, it's all based on the opinion of the masses. If I could get enough people to agree that Tiesto is underground, he'd eventually be considered that since it was popular opinion.

thats exactly what i think

one thing is for sure mainstream = opium for the masses

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Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs I have some friends who are strictly prog/dnb heads, and they think ANY type of trance, ANYTHING, is mainstream now. I don't agree with them at all!

thats coz theyre arrogant fucks.

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