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Originally posted by Vizay another important thing to think of when laying down the percussions is to make shure you never have any dead moments... okay so you didn't quite get what I mean...well as an example...the kick hits every 4:th beat...and then maybe a cymbal every 4:th offbeat...then maybe a ride on the same beats as the kick... that's a perfectly fine basic setup of percs but it wont sound very spacey and it will defenetly NOT fill the song enough.... what I mean with dead moments is the beats between every 4:th beat and offbeat, try and fill those dead spaces... shakers and extremly cutoff closed cymbals at fast speeds usually works this problem out this might have been a bit weird and hard to understand but I hope you got it

I take it your not a breakbeat fan

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Originally posted by Damie Mckeown I take it your not a breakbeat fan

actually I love breakbeat stuff but when I produce I produce uplifting and hardtrance so I don't know much about creating breakbeat stuff....but when it comes to listening I adore breakbeats

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Originally posted by davedresden i suggest getting the gabriel & dresden prog-a-minute. in 3 easy steps you too could change the face of dance music. batteries not included. - dave

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Originally posted by ABSYNTH Ok, here's a top little pluggin Scuzz 6 And this is what it can do 2 a hat loop Hat loop dry Now 2 with the Scuzz on it Hat Scuzz 1 Hat Scuzz 2 Hope this is of help

Just like to say thnx alot for all your help buddy , you dont believe how much just these little loops have helped me out
Any other tips for us , mayb a nice tut out there.
Once again thnx alot

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A bit of a stereo atmosphere on the drums is a must aswell.
E.G. pan some of the perc samples to different speakers. Remember to always keep the bassdrum & clap central, but experiment with everything else.
Also try creating many layers of percussion. Each migh sound simple on its own, but combined can sound awsome.
Dont be afraid to experiment and throw shit in random places. It works somtimes

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Originally posted by Bren-F A bit of a stereo atmosphere on the drums is a must aswell. E.G. pan some of the perc samples to different speakers. Remember to always keep the bassdrum & clap central, but experiment with everything else. Also try creating many layers of percussion. Each migh sound simple on its own, but combined can sound awsome. Dont be afraid to experiment and throw shit in random places. It works somtimes

So true. It's all in the layering.

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I think sometimes the minimalist approach can work quite nicely.

For example, I was listening to GTR-Mistral the other day. The percussion is quite solid. They basically put a closed hi-hat (or some metallic sound) every eigth note and a quality hi-hat on the off-beat. Later on the a new hi-hat sample gets introduced but instead of being centered it's panned left, the other one is faded out. Sorry, hard to explain. But the point is, not much is going on but it sounds nice. Work on the eq to really get the percussion sounding the way you want it.

Another piece of advice is to buy quality percussion loops, such as the ones sold by ILIO, and shuffle them. Add a high hat and it sounds pro.

I suck at percussion by the way. Hehe.

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and while we're at buying....don't forget to buy the AKAI sample-CD's....they are pure quality

well the minimalist-way might work too, it totally depends on what kind of track your'e making...if you have well say a huuuuuuuuge epic track in creation I think the minimalist percussions might work better so they don't take up 2 much space from the other sounds...

I guess the only good way to know how to lay down your percussions (if we're speaking of minimalistic and non minimalistic only) I think the only way is to just try it out and go with the style that suits the song best....a lot of extra work maybe but in the end it'll be worth it

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Originally posted by davedresden i suggest getting the gabriel & dresden prog-a-minute. in 3 easy steps you too could change the face of dance music. batteries not included. - dave

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Originally posted by J-LoOks Just like to say thnx alot for all your help buddy , you dont believe how much just these little loops have helped me out Any other tips for us , mayb a nice tut out there. Once again thnx alot

No problem

Another tip i have & this ties in well with the whole bying CDs thing is, yes i have paid lots for top notch sample CDs & the sounds a quality are mint but at the same time i am alway on the look for cheap "DJ in a box for yr PC" stuff, things like music maker and pro DJ. Yes the programs are CRAP but they come loaded to the nines with samples and the percusion samples are not bad & if you only paid £10 and not £60 then that has got to be a good thing 2

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where can i really get those hi hat sound of close hi hat, open hi hat. and more sample CD. if possible can someone mail me the data ? i need those stuff to carry on my work..


and hi there. im new here!!!!

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Hey man sometimes you can take an open hi hat and make it sound closed by jacking with the envelopes on volume and cut. Its pretty cool.

Lots of times I will do that, and use the closed version to just to 16 notes of hitting per bar, it kind of makes it sound simple yet very driven.

I usually use a little reverb on the clap and sometimes the OHH, anyone else do this?

pretty cool. but i cant get teh open hi hat sound. i still trying with that.. perahps someone had the sample that willing to tell me where to get it?

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@josh

Any perc sample cd will have an open hi-hat, also, search google for hi-hat samples. Fruity and reason include them as well.

As far as open hi-hat tips go, a good tip is to subtely change the envelope settings for each hi-hat for say 2 bars or so and loop that. This gives it a more human feel.

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