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Sir. Lunchalot
Paradenliebhaber



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: GTA #2

Good chance to try out my new "What people really want to say" machine. Here is the result (= what the person in the first post really wanted to say but disguised it in partly nice words):

quote:
I don`t understand all these PvD freaks! His productions are medicore and the entry to his events too expensive. Why do people spend so much money and time on someone like PvD? A monkey banging two coconut shells could make tracks like PvD`s.

Can`t you people understand that progressive is by far the better music. But wait: All PvD fans are too stupid to realise that progressive is the only intelligent form of music!


...or it can produce an even shorter version:

quote:
PvD and everyone who like him is shit and dumb! Progressive rules!


What have we learned from this?

Stupid things wrapped in poetic words are still stupid.


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Old Post Aug-06-2003 10:23  Germany
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BigDil
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Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Re: Paul Van Dyk

quote:
Originally posted by tennessee_raver
I found this post on another forum....any thoughts?
[...]


bwahahah, BS...
poor guy, I'm pretty sure he hasn't seen PvD live, his opinion would kinda change I guess..


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allstar
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Québeccity,Québec,Canada

PvD is a great DJ, he has alot of skills and has done well to get where he is today...

I know I don't stand alone here when I say this, but his productions really do not appeal to me. I'm not saying my "taste" is better than anyone elses I just do not like his style. For me, his productions just don't sound that great; partly due to the reasons mentioned by the original poster, and in the case of some of his productions, they just feel overly clean and polished, almost too, "manufactured". Hard to explain, but it's just the way I hear it. But I cannot say he is a bad producer, for obvious reasons; as his music does appeal to many people.

Old Post Aug-06-2003 11:51  Canada
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raditz
Lord of all that is evil



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Mexico City, Mexico.

quote:
Originally posted by Sir. Lunchalot
Good chance to try out my new "What people really want to say" machine. Here is the result (= what the person in the first post really wanted to say but disguised it in partly nice words):




nice machine!


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Old Post Aug-06-2003 12:38  Mexico
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Christopher B
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Magnetic North

Paul's music appeals to many because this "inferior" simplicity you speak of.

I am a classical musician, and have read a book entitled What to Listen for in Music by the respected American composer, Aaron Copland. In the book he states that great music does not have to be complex so much as it has to be effective, leaving the listener with some sort of strong general feeling, be it Exuberance, sorrow, anger, etc.

Paul's songs achieve this because the simplicity of his music. Each tune, like you said, contains mostly the basic elements, bringing across feelings and emotions very clearly.

Many artists dabble in writing music that is just complex for the sake of being complex. That does not mean complex music can not be effective, however, very few artists still deliver clear themes through their thick musical texturing. Only a small number of producers, such as Sasha, BT, and Max Graham, can pull of writing effective complex music.

All that being said, Two unresolved issues still remain:

1) Each Person has a different oppinion of what makes music effective, and

2) Effective music does not always make great dance music, and vice versa. When I listen to progressive, tribal, jungle, or any other music made specifically for dancing, I do not judge it the same way that I judge classical or jazz or pop.


To sum it all up, PvD's music can not be called inferior for being somewhat simple. Not all of Mozart's music was complex, nor that of Glenn Miller or many other famous classical and jazz composers.


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thesuperfunk
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: UK
Re: Paul Van Dyk

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Originally posted by tennessee_raver




Paul Van Dyks compositions are very melodic and whimsical; no matter how dreamy they sound, though, each composition is simplistic and not made up of many different elements. From a production perspective, it is not hard to diffuse each individual element of a PVD track.


Someone needs to listen to 'Avenue'.

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Christopher B
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Magnetic North
Re: Re: Paul Van Dyk

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk
Someone needs to listen to 'Avenue'.


Yeah, and what about "Movement"? That song strikes me as neither melodic nor whimsical, just pure, pounding dancefloor mayhem!


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VisionsofPVD
Trousy Defined



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: New York City

Someone should tell this writer to listen to the Zurdo soundtrack..and then tell me that Paul only composes "simple music"..besides, does complex music = good music??? I think not...

I guess everyone has a right to their opinion...


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Scorpio Rising
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Anyoona
Re: Paul Van Dyk

quote:
Originally posted by tennessee_raver
each composition is simplistic and not made up of many different elements. From a production perspective, it is not hard to diffuse each individual element of a PVD track.





quote:
Just do not become so blinded by this intermediate material...


I think this guy got blinded by his own opinion.

What a load of crap.

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jp
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Holland

Kylie Minoque makes simple music, not PvD

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raditz
Lord of all that is evil



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Mexico City, Mexico.

quote:
Originally posted by jploveparade
Kylie Minoque makes simple music, not PvD


la la la, la la la la la la la la, la la la la la .... I just can't get you out of my A$$ !!!!!!


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Bulldog
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Sydney OZ-Mexico

Another bashing thread...
uhm.. I think PvD's productions are truly average lately or not as good as they used to be before, for instance Seven Ways, Words for love.. etc
perhaps he needs to change his style a bit or try something new, but in the other hand if he changes he's in risk of being bashed like Oakenfold.

so if u don't like his music just don't listen to it

Old Post Aug-07-2003 07:45  Mexico
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