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Originally posted by Izzy you know, you have a point there... Reagan did help end the cold war, maybe those republicans do have some cards up their sleaves

[useless trivia] Reagan once dressedup as a Nazi for a role he got in some sort of production, meaking him the only U.S. president to ever dress as a Nazi [/useless trivia]

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wow i love that pic. darrell issa spends 1.7 million of his own money to start the recall against davis. he decides to run after the recall is offical, today he backed out, probaly because of arnold now running, while crying like a little bitch on tv.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 [useless trivia] Reagan once dressedup as a Nazi for a role he got in some sort of production, meaking him the only U.S. president to ever dress as a Nazi [/useless trivia]

*that we know of

Ok, if you don't want Arnold Schwarzenegger, can you send him to France ?? Arnie for Paris'Mayor !!!

Seriously, if American people is able to elect W. Bush, elect a moviestar is more easy.
I hope that Gouvernator have a professional team to manage correctly the Sate of California...

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Originally posted by Izzy you know, you have a point there... Reagan did help end the cold war, maybe those republicans do have some cards up their sleaves

Then tell me WTF did Reagan to stop the cold war? NOTHING, Gorbatjov (however you spell it..) ended the cold war!

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Then tell me WTF did Reagan to stop the cold war? NOTHING, Gorbatjov (however you spell it..) ended the cold war!

Spent mad money ... more than the Soviets could possibly hope to match and drove their economy into the ground.

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Originally posted by festayre Ok, if you don't want Arnold Schwarzenegger, can you send him to France ?? Arnie for Paris'Mayor !!! Seriously, if American people is able to elect W. Bush, elect a moviestar is more easy. I hope that Gouvernator have a professional team to manage correctly the Sate of California...

trust me if i could, arnold would of been sent to france right after T2. he hasnt made any thing good since then

the american people didnt elect bush, the florida supreme court put bush into office

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Originally posted by occrider Spent mad money ... more than the Soviets could possibly hope to match and drove their economy into the ground.

reagan only accelerated the fall. mikhail gorbachev is teh winnar! "By gently pushing open the gates of reform, he unleashed a democratic flood that deluged the Soviet universe and washed away the cold war"

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Originally posted by rizo gorbechev

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Originally posted by occrider Spent mad money ... more than the Soviets could possibly hope to match and drove their economy into the ground.

bullshit.

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Originally posted by Eugene bullshit.

I never said it was the only reason for the collapse ... like most momentous events a large number of factors are obviously going to be at play. If you want to debate all the reasons for the collapse I would start a new thread

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Factors in the Soviet collapse include military, economic, and political dimensions, and can be grouped into long-term and proximate causes. In reality, despite the vituperation of some of their exchanges, Sovietologists do not substantially disagree about the factual record of what happened. The disagreement lies in the relative weight placed on them in explaining the Soviet collapse, particularly when it comes to the personal role of the top leadership. Historically, most empires collapse due to defeat in war, and the Soviet Union was no exception. Its troops were defeated on the ground in Afghanistan (withdrawing in 1989), but more seriously its military-industrial complex was defeated in the Cold War arms race. The Star Wars program, begun as a "scam" to bring the Soviets to the negotiating table, worked even better than expected, since Ronald Reagan sincerely believed it might work. The Soviet military knew that their economy could not afford to create a new generation of weapons, and opted for compromise-paving the way for arms reductions and, more importantly, eventual withdrawal from Eastern Europe. The fact that the military had already given up on winning the Cold War meant that they did not go to the mat to maintain the Soviet hold over the East that no longer had strategic value. Nobody denies that Star Wars gave the Soviet leaders a fright and helped tip the balance in favor of reform. The disagreement comes when one raises some counter-issues. For example: could Gorbachev's conservative rivals in the Politburo have negotiated military downsizing without triggering the Soviet collapse?

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Nice quote, BUT the fact is that al quaida did more to stop the cold war than reagan did. Reagan had just pure luck to be in the right place at the right time!