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Originally posted by Izzy each time? do you consider the jihadist that was killed innocent? the same one that caused a retaliantion in which innocents did die? it's as if you equate both of these together, i still can not see how the killing of a jihad militant to the killing twenty innocents is equal, let alone israel's fault.

even if the jihadi guy wasn't innocent the people surrounding him was innocent. and each time israel put on airstriking a leader they always kill a few civilians next to him.
besides that. i thought Israel was an democratic country that at least had trials for suspected terrorists?
or have Israel moved on to German anno 1940 style of dealing with "unwanted people" ?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 even if the jihadi guy wasn't innocent the people surrounding him was innocent. and each time israel put on airstriking a leader they always kill a few civilians next to him. besides that. i thought Israel was an democratic country that at least had trials for suspected terrorists? or have Israel moved on to German anno 1940 style of dealing with "unwanted people" ?

does war agianst terrorism mean anything to you? does the US put on a trial for each iraqi soldier before they kill him? the sheer fact that the islamic jihad has declared war agianst israel (look up their decleration of principles) means that they are an enemy to the state.

since the palestinian islamic jihad is mentioned on the UN terrorist orginization list (just one of the lists its on) doesnt give enough validity for israel to target memebers of that organization then i'm afriad nothing will satisfy you
http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/...DD?OpenDocument

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Last edited by Izzy on Aug-21-2003 at 21:25

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Originally posted by Izzy does war agianst terrorism mean anything to you? does the US put on a trial for each iraqi soldier before they kill him? the sheer fact that the islamic jihad has declared war agianst israel (look up their decleration of principles) means that they are an enemy to the state.

so you suppose every iraqi soldier is an terrorist?
USA only killed terrorists in Iraq?
please come on.
all USA's enemies are terrorists?
GIVE ME A BREAK!

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Originally posted by RebeL9 so you suppose every iraqi soldier is an terrorist? USA only killed terrorists in Iraq? please come on. all USA's enemies are terrorists? GIVE ME A BREAK!

look, in war an enemy is an enemy, in WW2 american soldiers didnt assess every nazi soldier they met to verify his innocence, if he was a soldier then he was a target
1) the guy who was killed was an active member of the islamic jihad (even they admit that).
2) israel is at war with the islamic jihad (a terrorist organiaztion)
hence, israel targeted this 'non' innocent soldier

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Originally posted by elevate WHYYYYYYYYYY why did they bomb Israel again after the truce was lasting so well??? whyyyy???????/ obviously Israel has retaliated and now Hamas has called off the truce (NO SHIT!!!) why??? why did they kill another 20+- people?

I dont know if it was mentioned before or not, I didnt read through the post.. but it was done because the Israel Military or whatever killed the leader of HAMAS and the guy that went suicide was his friend.

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Originally posted by LiquidX I dont know if it was mentioned before or not, I didnt read through the post.. but it was done because the Israel Military or whatever killed the leader of HAMAS and the guy that went suicide was his friend.

That is correct. The argument since has been developed and the current issue is (And let's drop numbers, one life is priceless so it doesn't matter if one or 20 is lost) that one side targeted and active soldier/militant/terrorist and the other targeted the innocent.

After the asssination of the above mentioned Islamic Jihad activist, an official statement from a Jihad spokesman was made where he promised a hit "In the heart of the Zionist entity" which we assume was the bus explosion.

"We" targeted the Jihad, we attacked the mind behind it's actions and the force that drives it to kill - We strive to stop them from killing.

"They" targeted Israeli people, they attacked the common Israeli living person and the force that drives this country to exist - They strive to stop us from existing.

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Well, at least there's one positive thing in all this, I see that Abas has finaly said palestinian government will cease all contact with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Finally both sides have agreed that those organizations should have no validity.

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Originally posted by LiquidX I dont know if it was mentioned before or not, I didnt read through the post.. but it was done because the Israel Military or whatever killed the leader of HAMAS and the guy that went suicide was his friend.

no no

the leader that was killed was killed in retaliation for the bombing, then Hamas ended the truce

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Originally posted by RebeL9 They sign a peace treaty to silent the pressure from the rest of the world. Then they put in the heavy weapons. Nice try izraeliz but this time you had to taste your own flavour of terror.

first of all...didn't they take the "heavy weapons" OUT of two cities??

second, what is the israeli "flavour" of terror? killing children?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 They sign a peace treaty to silent the pressure from the rest of the world.

Oh yeah I forgot to relate to this...
I thought most of the recent treaties were, quite the other way around, signed and agreed upon to relieve the pressure off Arafat and/or the rest of the Paslestine leadership...

I guess we look at the situation from different angles

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Originally posted by RebeL9 no there you are wrong. the israeli people and the palestinian want peace

yeah man, now you're singing a very different tune actually.

As soon as someone presses your balls against the door latch the aggression magically disappears....

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Originally posted by Eugene yeah man, now you're singing a very different tune actually. As soon as someone presses your balls against the door latch the aggression magically disappears....

wanna lick those balls eugene?

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