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Originally posted by crazedcanuck The only "new blood" exposed to that level of talent @ events like that tend to be on the younger side, so the addition of sketchy kids hardly leads to a blow-up and growth of a healthy scene. Those 19 and up who end up there as a first time would have eventually been dragged out by the same passionate friends to another event, not just a "massive".

That's a generalization. I can tell you that a lot of the oldskoolers who used to hit these parties back in the day are still part of the scene today and many make up the "friendlier" elements of the crowd you might see at the Guv (imho).

The reason why these events don't go on anymore is due to the excessive costs in holding them. Most parties were not 19+ so there weren't any liquor sales. Promoters were dependent solely on ticket sales to gerenate revenue. In fact it's quite ironic that one of the brains behind running the Lifeforce parties is now calling the shots for the Goldclub events. These legendary parties formed the grassroots of the scene today. Without them we might not be having these mega club events at the Guv or perhaps would have had to wait a few more years before they became popular in TO.

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If promotors that have massives would put am age limit (say 18 and up) then that would get rid of all the candy, vics, tellatuby back packs, and all that bull shit. but then they prob wouldnt make enough money nothing i hated more about massives than walking around steping on cracked out candy kids laying on the floor. but the sound and lighting at a massive is what i loved most about them.

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^^^ That's another BAD generalization about the younger people who goto parties. Sure theres a bunch of 'younger' kids who you'll see chilling on the floor, but that's exactly what they were doing - chilling. All the OD's from those events were just about ALL from the older 19+ crowd who thought they were rockstars yet fell to the ground and were took out on stretchers.

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Originally posted by bucky ^^^ That's another BAD generalization about the younger people who goto parties. Sure theres a bunch of 'younger' kids who you'll see chilling on the floor, but that's exactly what they were doing - chilling. All the OD's from those events were just about ALL from the older 19+ crowd who thought they were rockstars yet fell to the ground and were took out on stretchers.

Very much agreed... the kids I was refering to were more the GAP wearing kids with no exposure to the scene or music, and just went with friends cause they had to try this "rave" thing and do a pill.

I personally love a lotta the Candy kids, since I used to party among them (just was never a full uniform one heh) They are repeadtedly some of the people that make things like WEMF go great for me. (the Ascension parties @ Industry are a large part of my fondest trance memories)

If we could throw outdoor massives @ a venue like Molson's Park (R.I.P), Downsview (yeah right), or elsewhere in the GTA and make it an annual like most of Europe throws, then we'd be talking. I just am not personally fond of the 2000 era massives that were (for a variety of reasons, many which were attacked by Idance, others that are normal, sketchy partying issues) the Cyrous parties in particuloar always seemed terribly organized and set up. Not to mention 10,000+ people indoors...

As for the old skool massives, that were TRUE ass kicking parties, most of my friends who were in TO then said they were packed, but not rammed, and some of the best events thrown locally in the past 5-10 years (pre 2000), so if we could duplicate that vibe, then I'd be bandwagon jumping forsure. But those of us who yearn for Industry know that yearning feeling, and with the amount of people involved on all the diferent aspects of the scene these days, an indoor massive would be pretty hectic.. and since promoters would need to rely on gate, it would be rammed guvernemnt style.

I guess I'm yearning for a kick-ass blowup as much as the rest of ya, but between lacking venues, government BS, and the other annoyances large events bring to your night, I don't know if TO has it in them to pull it off.... our own current festival, WEMF, can't even exist harrassment free, and it's a giant event that draws people from all over, with excellent financial tourism impact.

^^ well put

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Originally posted by dEsidEL That's a generalization. I can tell you that a lot of the oldskoolers who used to hit these parties back in the day are still part of the scene today and many make up the "friendlier" elements of the crowd you might see at the Guv (imho). The reason why these events don't go on anymore is due to the excessive costs in holding them. Most parties were not 19+ so there weren't any liquor sales. Promoters were dependent solely on ticket sales to gerenate revenue. In fact it's quite ironic that one of the brains behind running the Lifeforce parties is now calling the shots for the Goldclub events. These legendary parties formed the grassroots of the scene today. Without them we might not be having these mega club events at the Guv or perhaps would have had to wait a few more years before they became popular in TO.

agreed. When all this started to go down I figured its time to head back underground... while this has happened too a degree, the authorities have really wizened up to the, and i quote "rave scene" which has lead largely to the replacement of rave's with club nights. I know in Kitchener here the cops are even watching message boards, or have informants that do. My friend tried to throw a free event in an undisclosed location until the day of and when he went to set up, there was a cruiser already there... first thing the cop said was "bet you didnt expect to see me here"

its tough these dayz..

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