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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 anyone remember when Judas Priest was sued because some kids decided to committ suicide "because of the band"? These kids had a suicide pact, and one of them ended up killing himself, and his parents blamed it on a Judas' Priest song. They said that on e of their tracks (can't remember which), when played over and over again, seems to emitt the words "Do It". Do what? Do it! make a ham sandwich! Of course, the case was thrown out. but it only goes to show that music will never go unprotested in this country.

i think it was break the law... but all this also happened to one of black sabbath's songs a few years before. heavy metal is blamed because its more rebellious, more anti-social, and less likely to conform to society's standards... so they blame it on metal...

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 what i mean is that the government obviously doesn't like this aspect of culture. So they are attempting to shut it down. they're trying to take away the freedom of being able to go to a club and enjoy the music. i know i'm being too radical, but do you get what i'm trying to say?

I get what you are trying to say. But I don't know if you are seeing my point. The government is the people. We are freely doing it to ourselves. I'd be really curious to know how many people who I hear complain about this law actually vote. Hell, a lot of the time I see people make it out to be some right wing thing, but when you actually take the time to read who sponsered and wrote the bill you can see the Democrats are every bit as guilty as the Republicans. Yet, for some reason, these same people still champion the Democratic Party, like they are the great saviors of liberty.

The ONLY party that is for true freedom is the Libertarian Party. Sadly, I highly doubt everyone that is so uberconcerned about this law will go so far as to make that statement by voting Libertarian.

I understand your views now. I guess the only people we can truely blame are the assholes who decide to pop E every time they see a DJ.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I understand your views now. I guess the only people we can truely blame are the assholes who decide to pop E every time they see a DJ.

Well I don't take and drugs myself, but the entire electronic dance music scene has been heavily linked to drugs for years. If it wasn't for the drug use then there may well be no trance.

Just think before you say something silly like "assholes who decide to pop E".

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What I don't get is why ELECTRONIC MUSIC events are the main targets, when drugs are used at rock concerts and hip hop clubs, etc.? My parents came home from a Moody Blues concert once last year and their clothes smelled like pot :P

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Originally posted by Galapidate What I don't get is why ELECTRONIC MUSIC events are the main targets, when drugs are used at rock concerts and hip hop clubs, etc.? My parents came home from a Moody Blues concert once last year and their clothes smelled like pot :P

Because about 80% of people in clubs are taking drugs.

I don't know how that compares to rock concerts but I would imagine far less people are taking far less illegal/dangerous drugs (cannabis).

In the uk, you could get 7 years for possetion of ecstacy, and life for supplying.

Compared to cannabis, which soon possesion will not be arrestable.

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Originally posted by ChrstnMchl The government is the people. We are freely doing it to ourselves.

This is a classic example of The Collectivist Lie. The only people who are freely creating an unjust law are those individuals directly responsible for the passage of that law: namely those few individuals who voted for it. The government is not the people. The government is a small group of individuals selected by the people from a small and generally homogeneous pool of candidates who, once elected, have virtually no accountability for their actions.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I understand your views now. I guess the only people we can truely blame are the assholes who decide to pop E every time they see a DJ.

No! This is entirely the wrong conclusion. The ones to blame are the narcissistic tyrants who violate our natural rights with this sort of rancid authoritarian bullshit.

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Originally posted by joeh152 In the uk, you could get 7 years for possetion of ecstacy, and life for supplying.

That's way more harsh than even the US.

On first offense here (possession of E), you'd usually get a fine/probation. If you're black you are more likely to get a harsher sentence, and are more likely to be charged with intent to distribute for the same amount of drugs, and get possible jail time.


If you're a multiple offender, then you're fucked (I'd say literally heh).


Can someone explain this whole Tipper Gore BS to me?

I'm starting to realize more an more that Republicans and Democrats are practically the same (Arbiter said it best). In other words they are about equally as nauseating and oppressive.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz That's way more harsh than even the US. On first offense here (possession of E), you'd usually get a fine/probation. If you're black you are more likely to get a harsher sentence, and are more likely to be charged with intent to distribute for the same amount of drugs, and get possible jail time.

Well, thats the max sentance you could get for class a drugs (ecstacy, heroin, coccaine etc.). You wouldnt really get in that much trouble.

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Originally posted by Arbiter This is a classic example of The Collectivist Lie. The only people who are freely creating an unjust law are those individuals directly responsible for the passage of that law: namely those few individuals who voted for it. The government is not the people. The government is a small group of individuals selected by the people from a small and generally homogeneous pool of candidates who, once elected, have virtually no accountability for their actions.

The government IS the people in the form of a representative democracy. If you wanted to get into technicalities than you can say that the entire world is living the collectivist lie because there is no true democracy. And personally, I wouldn't WANT to live in a country with direct democracy .... I've seen some of the effects direct democracy has yielded in California and the such. We might as well simply instate mob rule.

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No! This is entirely the wrong conclusion. The ones to blame are the narcissistic tyrants who violate our natural rights with this sort of rancid authoritarian bullshit.

Very well, then I want my natural rights invoked to NOT pay for the health care of said drug addict when he overdoses. If one wants to enjoy the benefits society provides than they must adhere to the rules and laws that society sets.

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Originally posted by occrider The government IS the people in the form of a representative democracy. If you wanted to get into technicalities than you can say that the entire world is living the collectivist lie because there is no true democracy. And personally, I wouldn't WANT to live in a country with direct democracy .... I've seen some of the effects direct democracy has yielded in California and the such. We might as well simply instate mob rule.

direct democracy sucks, ppl is to lazy to know about politican stuff... indirect democracy also sucks in a way, especially when there is only two parties... but i don't know any better way of rulig a socity...

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Very well, then I want my natural rights invoked to NOT pay for the health care of said drug addict when he overdoses. If one wants to enjoy the benefits society provides than they must adhere to the rules and laws that society sets.

this would be a proper argument if everybody had equal skills and equal chances... but we don't live in a perfect world, some are smarter then others, some are just meant to die of a drug overdose... so it's our socity's job to make the world as equal as possible...