let me tell u that they make excellent humus and shishlik as i could once again witness today.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This is my stance.. i am pro-human rights....i hate the actions of both the terrorists and you government in oppressing the palestinians. Both sides are causing death and i hate that. Viber, the immature 15 year old, thinks i hate all jews and israel becuase i do not agree with the actions of the IDF....he doesnt understand that i have many jewish friends here and alot if them are from Israel. And with respect to how arabs think, i know their mentality... And viber speaking hebrew is obviously talking shit about me and feeding you lies, however, i dont have to read hebrew to kknow this, it is evident. Nevertheless, what are your opinions about arabs and palestinians?

arafat have jewish friends too..
and im sorry that i dont say that the idf are murderers like you do,i have this thing that i respect soldiers..
my view"s are not extreme at all,everything ive said was facts that youve failed to prove wrong

and to be honest i think that my opinions are very blanced you can look in other posts that ive said that i respect the arabs and that i do understand that there are good arab and dont forget that ive said sevral times that i feel sorry for the innocente part of the palastinian public that do want peace

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Originally posted by -CosmicFire- ååéáø äåà áé÷ù îîê ìà ìæáì áîåç Hmmm Ask the arabs what do they think about us and why they are making this terror than come to us..

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Well Cyrus,
Firstly, Most of us dont hate all arabs, I myself dont hate all arabs, vice verca, my family comes from arab roots, I hate the terrorists and the actions they perform.
I Understand you are angry and hurt by the IDF actions,
I would get angry as well if I'll see something thats being showed as pure abuse and killing innocent people.
But thats not the real picture, first of all when the IDF soldiers shoots at the palestinians they shoot rubber bullets not live ones, and they are given strict orders regarding live fire, you must ask for permition and an IDF soldier that will now obey and shoot based on his own mind will go to jail!
Its as simple as that.
You are Pro-Human rights, I admire that, I really do, no Carcasem, but you must first understand that the IDF are also Pro-Human rights.
And unlike your previous posts in the Cease Fire thread, the IDF actions are not deliberatley performed in order to kill innocent people, the IDF only hits "VIP's" of the terror organizations.
Now the terrorists on the other hand, have schools, I mean schools with grades and shit that teaches them how to become a suicide bomber.

An IDF Soldier has never attempted to perform a terroritic act that involves killing innocent people.

I Remember you said that you believe that everyone has the right to live free, and to get the respect he deserves, that shows you in a very positive light, but then just a few lines afterwards you said and I quote:

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I Hope youre whole IDF will die from Cancer...

So you see youre contradicting youreself.
Anyway, Israel is not a country that bases its Mentality on hating arabs, we wish to live here in peace.

Just one more thing, I hope you know on what ridiculous grounds the "Cease Fire" was based on, if not let me fill you in:

- The IDF will not hit anymore Terrorists
- The Hamas\Jihad\Fatach etc, can perform whatever terroristic act
they want if they feel its "necessery".

So you see how can a Cease Fire be based on such grounds?

\Waiting for reply...

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Originally posted by Scorchio Well Cyrus, Firstly, Most of us dont hate all arabs, I myself dont hate all arabs, vice verca, my family comes from arab roots, I hate the terrorists and the actions they perform. I Understand you are angry and hurt by the IDF actions, I would get angry as well if I'll see something thats being showed as pure abuse and killing innocent people. But thats not the real picture, first of all when the IDF soldiers shoots at the palestinians they shoot rubber bullets not live ones, and they are given strict orders regarding live fire, you must ask for permition and an IDF soldier that will now obey and shoot based on his own mind will go to jail!

not necessarily. Many innocents are killed by gunfire that arent coated with rubber. Infact, rubber bullet death account for less than 1%

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Age Distribution 15 yrs old or younger 325, 12.6% 16 - 18 yrs 262, 10.2% 19 - 29 yrs 1,236, 48.1% 30 - 39 yrs 336, 13.1% 40 - 49 yrs 139, 5.4% 50+ years 159, 6.2% Unknown 115, 4.5% Sex Male 2,399, 93.3% Female 173, 6.7% Immediate Cause of Death Live ammunition* 1,570, 61.0% Shelling** 532, 20.7% Rubber-coated metal bullets 3, 0.1% Prevention of medical treatment 79, 3.1% Tear gas 14, 0.5% Other*** 374, 13.9% * Includes 5.56mm (223 caliber) bullets, 7.02mm bullets, 9mm bullets, 50 caliber bullets, 500mmbullets, 800mm bullets. ** Includes tank fire, bombs, missiles from helicopter, and F-16. *** Includes explosions, being hit by car or stabbed, or having a heart attack after being attacked or unknown. Site of Body Injury* Head and neck (Including 12 from behind) 558, 21.7% Chest (Including 43 from behind) 375, 14.6% Abdomen 115, 4.5% All over body 1,163, 45.2% Lower limb 24, 0.9% Unknown/unspecified 374, 13.1% *Includes deaths from shelling, live ammunition, and rubber-coated bullets. Perpetrators Israeli soldiers 2,269, 88.2% Israeli settlers 54, 2.1% Israeli police / citizens, 32 1.3% NOTE: all statistics are based on information available at the time of calculation The Health, Development, Information and Policy Institute (HDIP)

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Its as simple as that. You are Pro-Human rights, I admire that, I really do, no Carcasem, but you must first understand that the IDF are also Pro-Human rights. And unlike your previous posts in the Cease Fire thread, the IDF actions are not deliberatley performed in order to kill innocent people, the IDF only hits "VIP's" of the terror organizations. Now the terrorists on the other hand, have schools, I mean schools with grades and shit that teaches them how to become a suicide bomber. An IDF Soldier has never attempted to perform a terroritic act that involves killing innocent people.

I have in numerous occasions try to explain that while terrorists commit acts of terror, so do STATE terrorists that run nations. Israel is sponsoring state-terrorism under a facade of 'fighting' terrorism. I truly beleive that the majority of the IDF soldiers feel animosoity and anger towards the "nuisance" of palestinians in which they have to guard for their own people.

Here is something to support the equally disgusting behaviour of the IDF. The IDF intentionally kills many innocents, beleive it or not.

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Since the Palestinian uprising started in late September 2000, more than 1,500 Palestinians, and 400 Israelis have been killed (as of April 12, 2002), the vast majority on both sides being unarmed civilians. Most of the deadly violence against innocent civilians, therefore, has been committed by Israeli forces and has been directed at Palestinians. Israel and its supporters claim that while Palestinian suicide bombers deliberately target Israeli civilians, Israel tries to avoid harming Palestinian civilians and that those who have died are "collateral damage." Hence, they argue, there is no moral equivalence between the killing of civilians by Israel and Palestinians. This defies both common sense and all the available evidence. On the one hand, Israel wants us to believe that 400 of its own civilians were deliberately targeted, while more than three times as many dead Palestinians all somehow just got in the way of what Israel claims is its humane and disciplined army. It is, in essence, an argument that 1,500 people all died by accident. Every human rights group that has examined Israel's practices has documented systematic and deliberate use of violence targeted at unarmed Palestinian civilians by Israeli forces. Physicians for Human Rights USA which investigated the high number of Palestinian deaths and injuries in the first months of the Intifada, concluded that: "the pattern of injuries seen in many victims did not reflect IDF [Israel Defense Forces] use of firearms in life-threatening situations but rather indicated targeting solely for the purpose of wounding or killing." [Source: PHR USA, 22 November 2000] This finding was based on "the totality of the evidence" the investigators collected about : "the high number of gunshots to the head; the volume of serious, disabling thigh injuries; the inappropriate firing of rubber bullets and rubber-coated steel bullets at close range; and the high proportion of Palestinian injuries and deaths." The findings of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch confirm this pattern. Israeli human rights group B'Tselem has documented and condemned the targeted use of violence against Palestinian civilians and has found evidence of systematic torture of thousands of Palestinian detainees, including children. What has been confirmed by human rights groups has also been observed directly by journalists. In October 2001, Harper's magazine published the "Gaza Diary" of journalist Chris Hedges. Hedges' entry for June 17, 2001 provides even more shocking evidence of the wanton and deliberate killing of Palestinian children by Israeli soldiers at Gaza's Khan Yunis refugee camp. Hedges writes: "I sit in the shade of a palm-roofed hut on the edge of the dunes, momentarily defeated by the heat, the grit, the jostling crowds, the stench of the open sewers and rotting garbage. A friend of Azmi's brings me, on a tray, a cold glass of tart, red carcade juice." "Barefoot boys, clutching kites made out of scraps of paper and ragged soccer balls, squat a few feet away under scrub trees. Men in flowing white or gray galabias -- homespun robes -- smoke cigarettes in the shade of slim eaves. Two emaciated donkeys, their ribs protruding, are tethered to wooden carts with rubber wheels." "It is still. The camp waits, as if holding its breath. And then, out of the dry furnace air, a disembodied voice crackles over a loudspeaker." ""Come on, dogs," the voice booms in Arabic. "Where are all the dogs of Khan Younis? Come! Come!"" "I stand up. I walk outside the hut. The invective continues to spew: "Son of a bitch!" "Son of a whore!" "Your mother's ****!"" "The boys dart in small packs up the sloping dunes to the electric fence that separates the camp from the Jewish settlement. They lob rocks toward two armored jeeps parked on top of the dune and mounted with loudspeakers. Three ambulances line the road below the dunes in anticipation of what is to come." "A percussion grenade explodes. The boys, most no more than ten or eleven years old, scatter, running clumsily across the heavy sand. They descend out of sight behind a sandbank in front of me. There are no sounds of gunfire. The soldiers shoot with silencers. The bullets from the M-16 rifles tumble end over end through the children's slight bodies. Later, in the hospital, I will see the destruction: the stomachs ripped out, the gaping holes in limbs and torsos." "Yesterday at this spot the Israelis shot eight young men, six of whom were under the age of eighteen. One was twelve. This afternoon they kill an eleven-year-old boy, Ali Murad, and seriously wound four more, three of whom are under eighteen. Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered -- death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights and watched them crumple onto the pavement in Sarajevo -- but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport." There can be no doubt that Israeli troops have been targeting innocent Palestinian civilians for death from the beginning of the uprising. This understanding was also reflected in UN Security Council Resolution 1322, passed on October 7, 2000, which "Condemns acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life." In making the moral superiority claim, Israel's apologists are either shamelessly denying the irrefutable evidence cited above and are simply lying, or they are asserting that some forms of murder are morally superior to other forms of murder.

Many times when these VIP's are targetted, many more palestinians die? In the end, for every israeli innocent killed by a bomber, three more palestinians are killed. Fighting fire with fire will further enrage its destruction.

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I Remember you said that you believe that everyone has the right to live free, and to get the respect he deserves, that shows you in a very positive light, but then just a few lines afterwards you said and I quote:

you too my statement out of context. I was refering to Nykon or someone else who stated that they couldnt wait to get enlisted into the IDF and get their gun, implying that they were going to shoot palestinians. It was this comment that enraged me. I was refering to thoise IDF soldiers who have bullied and ridiculed palestinians in their already reached existence.

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So you see youre contradicting youreself. Anyway, Israel is not a country that bases its Mentality on hating arabs, we wish to live here in peace. Just one more thing, I hope you know on what ridiculous grounds the "Cease Fire" was based on, if not let me fill you in: - The IDF will not hit anymore Terrorists - The Hamas\Jihad\Fatach etc, can perform whatever terroristic act they want if they feel its "necessery". So you see how can a Cease Fire be based on such grounds? \Waiting for reply...

I am not too familiar with the intricacies of the Cease fir agreement, however i feel that many times, the bombings that take place in Israel would are partly responsible on behalf of he Israeli govenrment.

If the Israeli government knows that killing leaders will spark revenge suicide attemtps, thus harming more israeli, knowing that Israeli will probably die becuase of an anger felt by these terrorists, why add fuel to the fire?

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im sorry to tell you that' but your an Anti-israel man..and nothing else...

these palestinians, teach kids under the age of 12, how to use a gun, and how to throw stones over the IDF soldiers..

and just one litle question..
why the suicide bombers have rights to kill kds under 10 years old
but when we kill a "jihad" suicide bomber, you all call it a terrorisem attack and sit like dat..


you know what...
come and live in Israel, maybe get injured in a terror attack.
thne tell us all what you think..
ok?

you can't fukin fell what we fell..
so give s all a fukin rest and SHUT TOHE FUCK UP !

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs im sorry to tell you that' but your an Anti-israel man..and nothing else... these palestinians, teach kids under the age of 12, how to use a gun, and how to throw stones over the IDF soldiers.. and just one litle question.. why the suicide bombers have rights to kill kds under 10 years old but when we kill a "jihad" suicide bomber, you all call it a terrorisem attack and sit like dat.. you know what... come and live in Israel, maybe get injured in a terror attack. thne tell us all what you think.. ok? you can't fukin fell what we fell.. so give s all a fukin rest and SHUT TOHE FUCK UP !

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs im sorry to tell you that' but your an Anti-israel man..and nothing else...

Its this attitude that gets to me. People like you who cant admit that palestinians are suffereing more than Israeli's when they dont deserve it.
I am not anti-israel, i am anti Israeli government like I am anti- American government for the same hypocritical reasons.

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these palestinians, teach kids under the age of 12, how to use a gun, and how to throw stones over the IDF soldiers..

ALL OF THEM TEACH THEIR KIDS THIS? All of them are taught to be terrorists? To go kill themselves? Well, it looks like you have been taught some wrong things. I will admit that there is a large group of people that teacht hese palestinians some things, however, i dont beleive that they are born to hate and destroy anything that is innocent.

And, remember, they are throwing rocks at tanks.... tanks that dont belong there.

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and just one litle question.. why the suicide bombers have rights to kill kds under 10 years old but when we kill a "jihad" suicide bomber, you all call it a terrorisem attack and sit like dat..

Suicide bombers have NO "right" to kill anyone! Stop putting words in my mouth.

Since when does an IDF soldier have the 'RIGHT' to shoot a girl in the head becuase hes had a bad day, or gunship their crowded markets becuase a few VIP's are there, or demolish neighborhoods with tanks.

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you know what... come and live in Israel, maybe get injured in a terror attack. thne tell us all what you think.. ok? you can't fukin fell what we fell.. so give s all a fukin rest and SHUT TOHE FUCK UP !

Your hostility only relfects the anger you feel towrds these palestinians.... all you see is "terrorism"...nothing else...
Look deeper into WHY these people have been driven to kill themselves becuase they feel its "self-defense"..

If you keep an cat in a cage without water and food for days, then unleash it, its insanity will take over all thought. In other words, it will go crazy.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King not necessarily. Many innocents are killed by gunfire that arent coated with rubber. Infact, rubber bullet death account for less than 1% I have in numerous occasions try to explain that while terrorists commit acts of terror, so do STATE terrorists that run nations. Israel is sponsoring state-terrorism under a facade of 'fighting' terrorism. I truly beleive that the majority of the IDF soldiers feel animosoity and anger towards the "nuisance" of palestinians in which they have to guard for their own people. Here is something to support the equally disgusting behaviour of the IDF. The IDF intentionally kills many innocents, beleive it or not. Many times when these VIP's are targetted, many more palestinians die? In the end, for every israeli innocent killed by a bomber, three more palestinians are killed. Fighting fire with fire will further enrage its destruction. you too my statement out of context. I was refering to Nykon or someone else who stated that they couldnt wait to get enlisted into the IDF and get their gun, implying that they were going to shoot palestinians. It was this comment that enraged me. I was refering to thoise IDF soldiers who have bullied and ridiculed palestinians in their already reached existence. I am not too familiar with the intricacies of the Cease fir agreement, however i feel that many times, the bombings that take place in Israel would are partly responsible on behalf of he Israeli govenrment. If the Israeli government knows that killing leaders will spark revenge suicide attemtps, thus harming more israeli, knowing that Israeli will probably die becuase of an anger felt by these terrorists, why add fuel to the fire?

and i supose that every war in the past was clean and moral,i guess that the brits in ireland didnt killed anyone,USSR in chechnia and there are tons of wars that were this way,war is massy war is digustingpeople die on both sides,but the only diffrence is that israel kills people by mistake theres a diffrence you cant call it "state terrorizem"

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Originally posted by Viber and i supose that every war in the past was clean and moral,i guess that the brits in ireland didnt killed anyone,USSR in chechnia and there are tons of wars that were this way,war is massy war is digustingpeople die on both sides,but the only diffrence is that israel kills people by mistake theres a diffrence you cant call it "state terrorizem"

How can you call this a war when one side cannot even defend itself properly. Instead they use rocks and unfortunately terrorism as a tactic.
And viber, im looking at the case of Israel, every other circumstance is different.

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