I'm surprised you guys aren't taking this more seriously ... especially you Israelis. You do realize that Abbas was likely the closest chance you had towards achieving peace in the region? How often do you think that true moderates come to power on the Palestinian side? I truly had respect for Abbas ... now you'll have to deal with arrafat once again , and once again we can summarize what the next 5-10 years of life in the middle east will entail.

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I didn't think that needed explaining. Abbas as we all knew was the only reasoning force for the Palestinians, and now that's been lost.

The Israeli government didn't really like Abbas to begin with because of his roots coming from Fatah and the PLO.
They did however see him as the "best chance" for a settlement and end to years of terror.

I don't think this time the Israeli's will so easily loosen the noose around the necks of the terror organizations attacking its civilians.

We are fed up of it and have learnt from previous efforts to peace that the only way to achieve calm in the region is to go after the perpetrators of such crimes against humanity!

Israel will continue its military conflict with those who threaten its safety, and will expel Arafat on a drop of a dime!

We'll build a fence and protect it from intrusion. We'll continue house to house anti-terror operations and targeted killings as needed.

Abbas was doomed to fail... it was Arafat's will.

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what melech_mike should of said, but didnt cause his blind Like the palestinians, israel is also fed up, the only way to achieve calm in the region is to go after the perpetrators of such crimes against humanity, on both sides! Both will continue its terrorism! Israel will build a fence, from the billions that it gets from the US. Israel will continue creating more settlements, house to house terror operations, and targeted killings, including innocent civilians as needed. While the militarily less palestinians will also continue its sucide bomb runs, which will also target innocent civilians.

fixed it for you

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Originally posted by occrider I'm surprised you guys aren't taking this more seriously ... especially you Israelis. You do realize that Abbas was likely the closest chance you had towards achieving peace in the region? How often do you think that true moderates come to power on the Palestinian side? I truly had respect for Abbas ... now you'll have to deal with arrafat once again , and once again we can summarize what the next 5-10 years of life in the middle east will entail.

1. Since when do a few TA who happen to live in Israel and post here represent the Israeli public in general? In Israel people DO take it seriously. I follow the news every day, be it radio or newspapers. I suggest you do the same, if you REALLY want to get to know the Israeli point of view. www.jerusalempost.com (showing the more conservative approach) as well as the lberal www.haaretz.com are both daily updated and available in English.

2. Why do you blame ISRAELIS for Abbas' resignation? It's obvious that Arafat did everything to end his very young career asap. And afte all, Abbas disappointed in every respect anyway. Just 3 days ago he gave in and promised Arafat and his people to NOT destroy Hamas and Djihad Islami but to keep negotiating with them.

3. Middle East developments are so instable and chaotic. You can never know what happens in the next few weeks, let alone the next 10 years

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Originally posted by rizen fixed it for you

And you could quickly unfix that for me as it's mis-qouting me!

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I know.. I really dont understand Israelis with their reactions. Everywhere else, headlines, news reports, even israelis themselves show concernes, I have not seen one that says.. whatever, who cares about him, exept here.. but hey, the internet hehehe..

Anyways, I think the closest to peace making in the middle east was Clinton hehe

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Would it be THAT much of a loss if sharon was killed?

dont begin a shit storm about sharon,theres people who respect him in this forum.

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Originally posted by occrider I'm surprised you guys aren't taking this more seriously ... especially you Israelis. You do realize that Abbas was likely the closest chance you had towards achieving peace in the region? How often do you think that true moderates come to power on the Palestinian side? I truly had respect for Abbas ... now you'll have to deal with arrafat once again , and once again we can summarize what the next 5-10 years of life in the middle east will entail.

abbas was a moudle for the palastinians,the israelies saw how much "efforts" he made,the fact is that the palastinians are only fighting terror when they are under the israeli prresure and after that they are saints even though they only did a fake war on terror,all abbas have done is to play games,he went around the world and did his imetation of arafat in the 90"s and nothing beyond that,the Hodna was only for the Hamas can do researches and developments after the strong hit that the pal" terror org. has taken much like the oslo agreement that was signed becuse the hamas wasent strong enough beck then,i think that there"s a need to fire the entire tunisian leadership from the PO that abbas have called - "corrupted" himself
peace can be done with a leadership not with terrorists\ex terrorists

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Originally posted by melech_mike And you could quickly unfix that for me as it's mis-qouting me!

okay mr drop_3_nukes_on_hamas_and_innocent_civilans.gif

this is funny...

any logical person can see clearly from reality who Abbas was, and how he was politically just a puppet for arafat to turn world opinion to Israel to make more concessions as we have seen with oslo.

for those who have an opinion on this matter, yet ask what the israeli opinion of all this is, should know that Israel is as split on all this as most of you. Each israeli thinks they know what to do, and sadly too many of them who live in Tel-Aviv and surrounding regions that don't like in a close vicinity to arab populations, still believe that peace with the arabs is in the hands of the 'aggressive israelis'. but then they go into the reality and realize when they go out of their shelter, that in reality, its in the hands of the arabs...

Seeing that the arabs are willing to send themselves into the streets to blow themselves up, One can assume that generally arabs don't give two shits about each other.

So from that we can assume that if it is in the hands of the arabs to fix their situation, they to our obvious conclusions would rather kill an israeli, then end the poverty of their arab brothers!

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Originally posted by rizen okay mr drop_3_nukes_on_hamas_and_innocent_civilans.gif

who is dropping 3 nukes ??

they should of dropped the biggest bombs they could of to ENSURE THE DEATH OF YASSIN!!!!!

got a problem with killing other people? then if i'm ever in your area I'll be glad to hold you up at knifepoint knowing your brain cannot grasp the concept of defending your life in your own backyard.

Whats the deal with these idiots that criticize with obviously flawed arguments???

LOL

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Originally posted by TranceGiant 1. Since when do a few TA who happen to live in Israel and post here represent the Israeli public in general? In Israel people DO take it seriously. I follow the news every day, be it radio or newspapers. I suggest you do the same, if you REALLY want to get to know the Israeli point of view. www.jerusalempost.com (showing the more conservative approach) as well as the lberal www.haaretz.com are both daily updated and available in English.

I was referring to the Israelis who had posted here rather than the entire Israeli population . You should know I wouldn't generalize like that. I'd kill myself myself for being the biggest hypocrite in the world. I do read the jerusalem post occasionally. Ever since Melech_Mike pointed out all the failed Palestinian attacks during the cease fire that go completely unreported in the mainstream news I've more or less browsed the J post every now and then.

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2. Why do you blame ISRAELIS for Abbas' resignation? It's obvious that Arafat did everything to end his very young career asap. And afte all, Abbas disappointed in every respect anyway. Just 3 days ago he gave in and promised Arafat and his people to NOT destroy Hamas and Djihad Islami but to keep negotiating with them.

I wasn't blaming Israel for Abbas' resignation. I just think the Israelis missed out on an opportunity to have somebody relatively rational to negotiate with on the opposite end of the table. Abbas wanted peace and the betterment of his peoples, Arafat wants power. Now that you have Arafat's yes man up for the position of PM I doubt that much is going to be accomplished. Personally, If I were Sharon, I would have made concessions that weakened Israel in order to make Abbas stronger. As long as Arafat is in the position of ultimate power, nothing will be accomplished. However, I understand that it is not Israel's responsibility to play internal Palestinian politics ... just something I would have done.

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3. Middle East developments are so instable and chaotic. You can never know what happens in the next few weeks, let alone the next 10 years

True, however, in the past 50 years only one thing has remained constant in the ever-changing middle east ... violence

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