Well look ... I'll give you guys my take on most conspiracy sites. Assuming these conspiracy sites are correct, one must ask ones self, why aren't these stories reported in the news? Granted you have the typical response that the news is biased/intimidated/a government puppet, etc (but why did they report on Vietnam's failures, Iran-Contra Scandal, Watergate, etc., etc., etc.?). However, what about ALL the other news organizations?? BBC is so critical of its own government yet they are lax with our government because they like us??? Russian media, French media, Canadian media? Why aren't all these other news organizations reporting on the "blatantly obvious facts"? The answer 99.99% of the time: because they are unconfirmed facts and theories. Your best bet for understanding world events is to stick to history books and credible news sources for your "facts" and then do your own analysis from then on.

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Originally posted by occrider Well look ... I'll give you guys my take on most conspiracy sites. Assuming these conspiracy sites are correct, one must ask ones self, why aren't these stories reported in the news? Granted you have the typical response that the news is biased/intimidated/a government puppet, etc (but why did they report on Vietnam's failures, Iran-Contra Scandal, Watergate, etc., etc., etc.?). However, what about ALL the other news organizations?? BBC is so critical of its own government yet they are lax with our government because they like us??? Russian media, French media, Canadian media? Why aren't all these other news organizations reporting on the "blatantly obvious facts"? The answer 99.99% of the time: because they are unconfirmed facts and theories. Your best bet for understanding world events is to stick to history books and credible news sources for your "facts" and then do your own analysis from then on.

I see your point...but it is very easy to find myself looking through conspiracy sites.....

Are you telling me you never indulge in them?...you dont bother ever?

And most of those conspiracy sites claim the French media buys the conspiracys about 9.11

ignorance is bliss soemtimes.

okay my mistake, i havnt watched or read his stuff in awhile. his not a cia, but his family has a long run of being in the cia, and he was going to join the cia until he found out they were into the business of trafficking drugs in 1977. yeah it does sound like conspiracy stuff, but he has hard facts as well as the backing of some US Congress members, such as CA-barbara lee and former congress woman GA-cynthia mckinney (shes also a potential green party persidential candidate for 2004), university professors, and even neocons like TX-ron paul. also if you can disprove any of his facts, you get $1000!

The CIA did however fund the contra rebels, because they wanted to get rid of the democratically elected socialist government of Nicaragua. The CIA has a long tradition of anti-communist and anti-socialist activities in central America. There is some founding to some people belief that the CIA not only knew of contra drug trafficking but had some involvement. However that claim has never been proven to any degree of certainty.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio The CIA did however fund the contra rebels, because they wanted to get rid of the democratically elected socialist government of Nicaragua. The CIA has a long tradition of anti-communist and anti-socialist activities in central America. There is some founding to some people belief that the CIA not only knew of contra drug trafficking but had some involvement. However that claim has never been proven to any degree of certainty.

That is indeed a fact

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Originally posted by rizen okay my mistake, i havnt watched or read his stuff in awhile. his not a cia, but his family has a long run of being in the cia, and he was going to join the cia until he found out they were into the business of trafficking drugs in 1977. yeah it does sound like conspiracy stuff, but he has hard facts as well as the backing of some US Congress members, such as CA-barbara lee and former congress woman GA-cynthia mckinney (shes also a potential green party persidential candidate for 2004), university professors, and even neocons like TX-ron paul. also if you can disprove any of his facts, you get $1000!

If you think Ron Paul is a Neocon, you must have very very leftish views.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz If you think Ron Paul is a Neocon, you must have very very leftish views.

lol my bad, his not really a neocon, i got a misinterpation from a google search on him. i have no real idea on ron's or cynthia mckinney's views/beliefs. i do know who barbara lee is though, and i trust her more than any other current politician in office. anyway i just read ron paul's speech to congress about neocon influences in america, heh he even mentions PNAC(!OMG CONSPIRACY!)

Yes you are right about the CIA arming the contras in Nicaragua. Same could be said for the death squads in Brazil and Argentina. Anyways, if you want to learn more on this i suggest getting Noam Chomskys Washington Connection and the Third World Fascism. The book talks about the government involvement in central/south america, south korea, iran/iraq, and everywhere else in the world

The Iran-Contra affair a Dossier from the mind archives of Yoepus (so bear with me):

Early 1980s in Iran you have the Islamic Revolution - This is when the Shas comes to power. During the revolution the diplomatic immunity of the United States, the United Kingdom (and perhaps several other countries) embassies are overrun and the staff of these places are taken hostage.

After 100 odd days the US tries a daring raid to resuce all the hostages (they were all held in one centeral location) but fails miserablly. The hostages are then moved around the country in groups of 5-3 and scattered across making mass-rescue impossible (you rescue one group, they kill the others).

Also in the Early 1980s: The US is covertly supporting the Contras ("capitilist" rebels) against the commy influence in Nicaruga. US Latin American policy during the Cold War is basically a result from the threat the crisis of the missles on Cuba provided.

The US Government provided covert talks with the Iranians for the release of prisoners. They wanted arms for hostages. The US government would not do this OVERTLY under any circumstances. What happened is the CIA created a dummy company that was seen as funding the Contras in Nicaruga, this company then moved the arms from the Contras to Iran which upon receiving the arms released the western hostages (thats the short simple version of it).

Hence the whole "Iran-Contra Affair" - the affair being the fact that the US did this covertly, and it sold arms to both the Contra and the Iranians which was not a popular thing to do a the time.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Anyone know anything about what happened in the 1980's regarding Mena, Arkansa and the CIA giving arms to Nicaragua contras for cocaine then the CIA bringing cocaine back into Arkansa to sell for money? Why would the CIA give arms to the contras in Nicaragua and/or Iran...for what purpose? Does this have anything to do with the Iran - Contra scandal...are tied to each other or separate trades (meaning contras in Iran and contras in Nicaragua? Was it Arms to Nicaragua for Cocaine and Arms to Iran for money? 2 separate scandals? I searched the net but all i found was conspiracy junk...so i figured i would ask you guys.

Sigh...another piece of unidentifable garbage trotted out by rapid right-wingers to attack Clinton with.

Once again, I have not been fully abreast of all the alleged goings-on here but I think if you believe this, you have to believe all the conspiracy theories about Vince Foster and Ron Brown too.

And then if you're a fair-minded lunatic, then you probably believe all those idiotic lefty conspiracies about 9/11 too.

Then you're pretty much in Lyndon LaRouche territory.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Also in the Early 1980s: The US is covertly supporting the Contras ("capitilist" rebels) against the commy influence in Nicaruga. US Latin American policy during the Cold War is basically a result from the threat the crisis of the missles on Cuba provided.

I dont think that this is correct. It seems a VERY large simplification to say that U.S. policy during the eighties towards communism was a result of the Cuban missle crisis.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio I dont think that this is correct. It seems a VERY large simplification to say that U.S. policy during the eighties towards communism was a result of the Cuban missle crisis.

Ya it is a simplification, but yes I think US Latin American policy during the Cold War was basically the result of both the Cuban revolution and then the Cuban Missle crisis expericenes.