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Originally posted by Flotser I tell you why. Israel is a Democracy.

Why doesn't Israel, "the only democracy in the Middle East," have a constitution?

"The abstention from formulating a constitution was no accident. The massive expropriation of lands and other properties from those Arabs who fled the country as a result of the War of Independence and of those who remained but were declared absent, as well as the confiscation of large tracts of land from Arab villages who did not flee, and the laws passed to legalize those acts - all this would have necessarily been declared unconstitutional, null and void, by the Supreme Court, being expressly discriminatory against one part of the citizenry, whereas a democratic constitution obliges the state to treat all of its citizens equally." Israeli author, Boas Evron, "Jewish State or Israeli Nation?"

"The 1989 Israel High Court decision that any political party advocating full equality between Arab and Jew can be barred from fielding candidates in an election...[means] that the Israeli state is the state of the Jews...not their [the Arabs'] state." Professor Norman Finkelstein, "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict."

Israels policies towards Palestinians are RACIST as what was concluded at the United Nations racism Convention held at Durbin South Africa in Sep 2001. Democratic governments are supposed to be void of racist policies therefore the State of Israel is not a democracy.

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Originally posted by Spankster Why doesn't Israel, "the only democracy in the Middle East," have a constitution?

why does United Kingdom has no constitution?
UK is not a democracy?
no!
no one said that you have to have a constitutopn in order to be a democracy.

you can quote your prppaganda stuff, but they proove nothing about Israel not being a democrasy, that is stabilized and mature enough to use nucleur weapons wisely.

and here is a quote from
http://www.eurolegal.org/british/ukconset.htm

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The United Kingdom has no written constitution. Therefore in contrast with most other countries it is not possible to point to a text and say "this is our constitution", nor is there any doctrine of the supremacy of the constitution over other legislation, nor any constitutional court, nor any doctrine of the separation of powers. .... One convention which has a major impact is that of the supremacy of Parliament and the principle that no parliament can bind its successor

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The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy.
Their claims of democracy is a joke.

lol

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Laugh as you will but does anybody actually practice true democracy?

The United States of America the Saviours of democracy is the biggest joke of all.

Ie have a look at how jeb bush became governor of florida and his next of kin dubya.............great democracy!

ok dude, you can try and unssucsefully proove that UK, US , and Israel
are not democracies,

However,
what I was simply trying to say is,
that those countris are democratic and stable enough to be responsible for nucleur weapons.
Iran, on the other hand, is not.

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Originally posted by Flotser However, what I was simply trying to say is, that those countris are democratic and stable enough to be responsible for nucleur weapons. Iran, on the other hand, is not.

This i do not disagree with.

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Originally posted by Spankster This i do not disagree with.

cool than

i was actually tryng to explain this point to
hardcore trancer
after his statement on the first page

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Originally posted by Spankster Why doesn't Israel, "the only democracy in the Middle East," have a constitution? "The abstention from formulating a constitution was no accident. The massive expropriation of lands and other properties from those Arabs who fled the country as a result of the War of Independence and of those who remained but were declared absent, as well as the confiscation of large tracts of land from Arab villages who did not flee, and the laws passed to legalize those acts - all this would have necessarily been declared unconstitutional, null and void, by the Supreme Court, being expressly discriminatory against one part of the citizenry, whereas a democratic constitution obliges the state to treat all of its citizens equally." Israeli author, Boas Evron, "Jewish State or Israeli Nation?" "The 1989 Israel High Court decision that any political party advocating full equality between Arab and Jew can be barred from fielding candidates in an election...[means] that the Israeli state is the state of the Jews...not their [the Arabs'] state." Professor Norman Finkelstein, "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict." Israels policies towards Palestinians are RACIST as what was concluded at the United Nations racism Convention held at Durbin South Africa in Sep 2001. Democratic governments are supposed to be void of racist policies therefore the State of Israel is not a democracy.

You talk about Israeli's racist policies as if they are the only democracy to have them. What about the United States when it was founded as a democracy? There was the whole section about slavery which was certainly racism.

Did the USA not have a civil war with slavery being one of the major sticking points?
Slavery as a first step needed to be abolished in order to satisfy the requirement that all peoples are equal under a democracy. The birth of democracy certainly didnt abolish racism completely from american society, but it was a start and in time(with much reluctance) the rights of blacks and women evolved to satisfy the true requirements of a democratic institution.

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Originally posted by Spankster The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy. Their claims of democracy is a joke.

democracy

Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
A political or social unit that has such a government.
The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.
The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community

constitution

The system of fundamental laws and principles that prescribes the nature, functions, and limits of a government or another institution.
The document in which such a system is recorded.

therefore democracy can exist without a constitution.
Israeli has currently adapted elemnts of the law of the British/Ottoman empire as well as their Independence "speech" as a pseudo-constitution.

Also: Democracy is not the contrary of Monarchy.