Nope, most 5.1 have 3. One for front L/R, one for rear L/R and one for Center/LFE

Can I get a confirmation on that for the Audiophile 2496? I only see 2...

Get a waveterminal 192L soundcard cheaper than Audiophile 2496. Plus its got 3 analog stereo outputs.

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Originally posted by skychild111 Can I get a confirmation on that for the Audiophile 2496? I only see 2...

I already told ya the Audiophile only has surround on the digital connection.

Well , i kinda disagree Dj thy.. All thou you are right on some aspects. I own a Audigy 2 Platinum EX, and its very much just as good as a pro card. I've also gone through a Audiophile, Delta 410, Aardvark LX6 Pro, and the audigy sounds better then those cards in my opinion. No harddrive noise, because its firewire. Ive had alot of problems with M-Audio, especially their ASIO drivers. The Audigy 2 comes with 3 different ASIO drivers. I thought the audigy actually didn't work when i first got it because it was so quiet 106db floor to noise ratio,it works great for me.

As to the Terratecs drivers being better. Do you own a Terratec? have you used it? or are you going buy what they say on their site. Dmx6fire 24/96 saw AD converters with 100 dB not that good. Rme MultiFace is is 105db on the AD converters. Now the Dmx6fire 24/96 had DA Converters @ 110db, and the RME MultiFace has them @ 112db , wich is awsome, but whocares AD converters is what counts. DA converters don't mean shite unless your recording to another source like DAT or minidisk, most everyone records straight to the harddrive your not using DA converters for that. I would post example of how good its sounds but I have no webspace.

Btw i have used motu 2408 and rme multiface at my friends studio and i cant tell the difference

Last edited by xfer on Oct-21-2003 at 07:51

Yup I own the Terratec and I've done multiple tests on it (actually they are quite conservative on their specs, I was surprised too). The AD of my DMX has about 107 dB of dynamics. The DA is 108 dB. You compare it to a RME or Motu, they are better indeed, but they are a league higher also... Don't forget that.

Hard drive noise is no problem here either. I know on the Audigy Ex you won't have much trouble either, because it's external. But on a friend's internal Audigy, I had to construct a special shielding because the bleed through was unbearable (it's all fun when you hear it on multimedia speakers, it doesn't stay that way if you hear that on Genelec 1032's believe me).

So as you see, most of the time it comes down to preference. Some people hear differences, some even don't hear the difference on a big budget card! I don't say it's a bad card, they improved a lot over the old Live and Audigy, it's just that I think you can find better goods for your money, it still gives me a big "consumer" feeling. If people like it, well good for them, you can't decide for others. That's why I always recommend to go listen for yourself, and don't listen what others say. Shopkeepers won't kill you because you ask to test the gear, it's a service they should offer...

As for your statements about AD/DA, I never look at figures, for me real world performance is all that counts. You know, when you work in a studio, your clients don't really care how much shiznits your gear has, only what comes out of it.

And only AD counts? Get real... DA is as important as AD you know. And the example you give is even the wrong one, cuz transfers to DAT or minidisk are done digitally 9 times out of 10 (you know the number one rule is stay digital as long as you can, it would be really dumb to go to an unneeded DA and AD conversion, this is waste of quality)... DA conversion is used all the time, you think it's 1's and 0's that come out of your speakers? And don't give me, yeah but you won't hear much of the DA quality there, because you do. Most people haven't even heard what an Apogee, a Prism or even a Weiss convertor can do to your sound. I strongly suggest you go to a shop that carries one of those devices, and dare even to put a Motu or RME against it, and you'll know what AD/DA really is about.

I don't want to sound harsh, but don't try to give me lessons on digital conversions, I've studied (theoretically and practically) it long enough to know enough of it... I'm not the kind of guy that will promote stuff because it has good figures or because other people told me it was good. If I comment on it, it's because I tested it, and I know very well what I'm saying.

thats cool to about the terratecs, you seem to know alot , i wasn't puting you down, just my opinion guess i cant hear the difference LOL

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Originally posted by Chris Creator Get a waveterminal 192L soundcard cheaper than Audiophile 2496. Plus its got 3 analog stereo outputs.

http://floridamusicco.com/waveterminal192l.htm

would this work with my stereo system, and is it very good for production?

Hrm... but the terratec would work for certain. So, i may just get the terratec, the price tag a bit hefty though.