I don't believe that talking with some random bozo is a legitimate means to solve one's personal problems. In other words, not me.

i was seeing a shrink for a while. but after a while it was worthless and he really wasnt helping me so i stopped going. basically i was paying him to listen to me talk about nothing. seriously i would just sit there and talk, he wouldnt ask any questions and i found it really weird that he had a folder on me and when i referred to a person he had to stop and look it up.

example- him- 'who is so and so? ah right your father, i see, go on.'

someone said before TA therapy is good and i agree with that 100%.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I don't believe that talking with some random bozo is a legitimate means to solve one's personal problems. In other words, not me.

well, in most cases the "random bozo" has studied quite a bit about the human psyche so he should be able to help here and there. After all psychology isn't random bullshitting but accepted as a serious science and those random bozos should ideally apply psychological cognitions to the individual case. Just likeF a doc but on the mental level.
On top of that I believe that you can look at your own problems only from one perspective: your own. Now its no secret that gaining a second perspective on things sometimes DOES help a lot.

Yet it would only make sense that self-created problems (they mostly are, unless theres serious physical defect involved) can also be exclusively SELF-solved. But help from outside surely can enhance that process.

Sad to hear most of you had negative experiences though, oh well, Ill probably not go either, seems like the movie I've been in is about to end, I see the credits rolling finally.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant well, in most cases the "random bozo" has studied quite a bit about the human psyche so he should be able to help here and there. After all psychology isn't random bullshitting but accepted as a serious science and those random bozos should ideally apply psychological cognitions to the individual case. Just likeF a doc but on the mental level. On top of that I believe that you can look at your own problems only from one perspective: your own. Now its no secret that gaining a second perspective on things sometimes DOES help a lot. Yet it would only make sense that self-created problems (they mostly are, unless theres serious physical defect involved) can also be exclusively SELF-solved. But help from outside surely can enhance that process. Sad to hear most of you had negative experiences though, oh well, Ill probably not go either, seems like the movie I've been in is about to end, I see the credits rolling finally.

it's worth a try. i do know people it has worked for. i think had i tried harder to find someone better it could have worked.

All shrinks do is help the client help themselves. Everyone has it in them to fix their problems, but shrinks might just give their opinion from a distant perspective and open their eyes a little bit more.

Also I don't think it takes years of education to give good advice, I've had deep conversations and stuff with a friend and she said that I gave better advice than counsellors shes had.

TA therapy is good cus I think there's a wide range of diverse people on here, often it might seem better than having the single mind of a shrink.

another thing i found, when i was younger and was in theropy, the shrink would ALWAYS stick up for ur parents, even if they wer obviously wrong and to this day i still think some of the stuff was shit. even the one i have now sticks up for my mum when its her who is in the wrong. i think they dont really treat u as adults and even the small majourity that do, will still stick up for ur parents and look down at u.

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Originally posted by Unknown DJ another thing i found, when i was younger and was in theropy, the shrink would ALWAYS stick up for ur parents, even if they wer obviously wrong and to this day i still think some of the stuff was shit. even the one i have now sticks up for my mum when its her who is in the wrong. i think they dont really treat u as adults and even the small majourity that do, will still stick up for ur parents and look down at u.

well if your parents are paying the bill that would explain that.

I think we should also distinguish between "banal" every-day life problems where the "common" advice might be more helpful since it's more based on mere experience. And then there's serious mental fuck up such as depression, parania, loss of reality, soceial anxiety etc. Now we're talking about a real illness, and thats where professional help seems more appropiate since they'll be more likely to connect everyyday problems (see above) with these symptoms.


bottom line: Freud did have some good points. Then again I'm surely defending him now that I live in his city an all *talks in Viennese German*

I went to a shrink about a year and a half ago when I was having major problems, and I found it to be really helpful. When I first started going, my mood/emotions were going all over the place uncontrollably (one minute i'd feel great, the next minute feel worthless). After about 3 months we had dug pretty damn deep in my past and untangled quite a bit of stuff that needed to be straightened out, figured out my current problems, and my moods were constant and i felt much better about myself, so i stopped going. I think it's definitely worth it.

I must have tried 3 4 different shrinks and each time would give me on the spot diagnosis of my problems .... like wtf how's that possible and on top of that don't give me a solution on how to deal with myself ......... it was all non sense and I have never seen them more then 2 3 times..


Now this might seem self centered by on a personal note I grew up overseas, mixed between USA France Switzerland Taiwan etc so that's quite a wide range of cultures. People like me have a name : third culture kids , kids who take two different cultures or more and have to make them their own. Quite different people we make, and cause a LOT of confusion cause you never know who you really are, and people no matter where you go always consider you an outsider ( FFS I am french american and when I go to France they hate me cause I'm American and when I'm in the USA they give me crap cause I'm a stupid frenchmen ... to be honest I hate both and I wish I was Swiss ( no pun intended I am serious ))

Well to make a long story short ( before you all decide to shoot me ) I was in Taiwan last year for my mothers high school reunion ( she grew up over there but she was also american ) and they did this little conference thingie about third culture kids etc ... I attended the thing and humm there in an hour or so I was able to understand that all the confusion I was experiencing in my life it wasn't my fault, it wasn actually normal for someone in my position and that I shouldn't be worried about it .... just have to deal with different issues cause of different situation I suppose.

I guess most of the time we all have our small and big issues but when we feel apart from the crowd for various reasons we can give ourselves hard times for justifying that we cannot change or something ................ I say screw the brain

Personal change, understanding and happiness come from within, not without. While another person (a shrink, a friend, an anonymous forum poster) may help you to see things that you otherwise wouldn't, ultimately it's all up to you. A psychologist can only help if you're willing to do your own introspection outside of the clinic: he cannot "cure" you, he can only help you to "cure" yourself.

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And then there's serious mental fuck up such as depression, parania, loss of reality, soceial anxiety etc. Now we're talking about a real illness, and thats where professional help seems more appropiate since they'll be more likely to connect everyyday problems (see above) with these symptoms.

If the problem is physical (i.e. a neurological deficiency) rather than mental (i.e. purely in the mind - a way of thinking) then I don't think a "shrink" would be much use. If one's depression is linked to, for instance, serotonin depletion, frontal lobe deficiencies or a chemical imbalance then it's probably a psychiatrist or a neurologist that you need to see rather than a psychologist.

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bottom line: Freud did have some good points. Then again I'm surely defending him now that I live in his city an all *talks in Viennese German*

Heh, yeah I like Freud too.

I'm not sure how scientifically valid his ideas are now, but his impact on 20th century philosophy - at the very least - has been huge.

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