Originally posted by Nadi
I used to donate to the aclu regularly but I no longer due as they defend people with child porn, and regardless of the princibles involved its just not cool.
How does that saying go? I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight for your right to say it? It was great how the ACLU defended the kkk with a black lawyer hehehe. But yea, child porn isn't really the same as free speech ...
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is it just me or does the Patriot Act seem too similar to the Reichstag Fire Decree?
Yes and no ... both were of course passed in the heat of the moment when the bill otherwise wouldn't have passed in any other situation. And the title of the patriot act was a nice propoganda touch of which, I'm sure, goebbel's himself would have been proud . However, I think there are key differences. The Patriot act does not in any way, alter the balance of powers between the three branches of government. I believe the enabling act allowed hitler to do away with the Reichstag and consolidate power. With respect to civil liberties, although the patriot act infringes upon one's civil liberties by decreasing your right to privacy, it does not remove your basic rights granted to you by the bill of rights ... IF you're a citizen. I got into an argument once with someone about how far the government can go with the patriot act and I actually read teh stupid thing. At any rate, if you're a non-citizen than you're kind of fucked. The government has the ability to detain you without charges and without due process. Section 411 and 412 of the act I believe.
While we're on the topic of Hitler ... I WAS going to vote for one of the dems next year, but then I read this article from my favorite web site: http://www.patrioticamerica.net/fea18.html
I can't let hitler win the election now can I?
It's been a while since I've posted a picture of professor patriot ... he'll whip me into shape.
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occrider, haven't you read what was to be included in the Patriot Act II? Thankfully for all of us, it didn't pass!!!
2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.
2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.
Haha yes I did read about that ... wtf was ashcroft thinking? Was it even introduced to congress? Anyway if that had passed, I would actually consider moving ... No congress would ever want to be associated with something that effectively eliminates the constitution like that ... all our forefathers would be spinning and doing cartwheels in their graves. Anyway ashcroft better enjoy patriot while he can ... it's not going to last much longer.
Hmmm that IS fucked up ... it probably wouldn't be used unless an actual emergency, however, I hate the mere possibility of abuse ... therefore the reason why I'm for things such as presidential term limits, against the icc, etc.
Edit: Oh wait, that looks like a state mandate rather than federal ... hahaha new jersey go figure. Who wants to go outside of their homes in that state period?
. However, I think there are key differences. The Patriot act does not in any way, alter the balance of powers between the three branches of government. I believe the enabling act allowed hitler to do away with the Reichstag and consolidate power. With respect to civil liberties, although the patriot act infringes upon one's civil liberties by decreasing your right to privacy, it does not remove your basic rights granted to you by the bill of rights ... IF you're a citizen. I got into an argument once with someone about how far the government can go with the patriot act and I actually read teh stupid thing. At any rate, if you're a non-citizen than you're kind of fucked. The government has the ability to detain you without charges and without due process. Section 411 and 412 of the act I believe. 
I can't let hitler win the election now can I?
