someone should really mail them and ask them what they are thinking...maybe give them a link to this thread or somethin.....how about it?

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they can shove it up their (black) HOLE

it is a shame, i can see where he is cumming from, but it is good to listen to a song before you buy it. But in my opinion it would not make a big difference if he let his mp3's get downloaded

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Hm okay mabe I make me now no friends, but you have to see also the business site of this all! To produce a 12" it costs not less, the price for oil, where 12" are made from most going higher and higher, the price for a 12" for selling is not going much higher. Most of the money the record stores made not the producer or the label! To get a 0 line you have to sell 3000 copys of a 12"! Sure with a Tiesto 12" it will be no problem, but they are not only Tiesto 12"! I'm talking now not only about Black Hole, this is straight for every label! If you wanna make your 12" successfull in the dance charts you also have to send a least 1000 to 1500 promos to DJs to spin your 12" that also costst money! This all is not the big problem for a big label like Black Hole I think but it is and they are a lot of smaller labels and when they see that nearly double as much people have the tune but not the 12" (which reason doesn't matter in the first part for them) sure they get pissed off!

I think all the labels are not against mp3 itself, I think when they are ways that they get the money (then it can be more less, because they have no production costst!) they also would agree with that!

I think it doesn't matter if Britney Spears sales 10 million singles or 11 million singles but I think it does matter if Black Hole is selling 30.000 or 50.000 Magix 7 albums!

Sure most of you guys here said, you buy the 12" or CD if you like the track, but how many people download songs and don't buy the CDs, 12" and don't talk here in the board!

And sure, I also see the problem that guys in the US can't get the CD because they don't find them, but hey, it worked also befor mp3 was born!

So all I wanna say is that you also have to se the site of the business! The most label owners down drive ferrari!!!!

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Originally posted by Wlcked Red If my information is correct Tiesto is part owner of Black Hole Recordings and that would mean (IMO) that he has something to do with this letter Looking at that letter from BHR and then at what Tiesto said about mp3's and their availability on the net I would have to say that this whole matter makes him look like a hypocrite On the one hand he says this: Question: What do you think of the about audioformat MP3? I really like it, because specially in The States and also here in Sweden it's been good for my name because my CDs are hard to get here. Question: What do you think when people download your songs illegaly? Is it bad because you loose royalty money? Well, I'm not in there for the money. I'm really glad, actually honored, that people download my music. That's a compliment I think. On the other a letter is sent asking webmasters to remove ALL BHR content ??? So which is it, Tjis? Make up your mind (and I think we all know that you are not in it for the money ) and yes, I agree with all of u that albums should not be available for dload

Absolutley correct i was about to say the same...Tiesto first said i dont mind Mp3s now its a big deal....

but no matter what blackhole says there songs will still be all over the net.....Sorry Blackhole

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Originally posted by Cream21 Hm okay mabe I make me now no friends, but you have to see also the business site of this all! To produce a 12" it costs not less, the price for oil, where 12" are made from most going higher and higher, the price for a 12" for selling is not going much higher. Most of the money the record stores made not the producer or the label! To get a 0 line you have to sell 3000 copys of a 12"! Sure with a Tiesto 12" it will be no problem, but they are not only Tiesto 12"! I'm talking now not only about Black Hole, this is straight for every label! If you wanna make your 12" successfull in the dance charts you also have to send a least 1000 to 1500 promos to DJs to spin your 12" that also costst money! This all is not the big problem for a big label like Black Hole I think but it is and they are a lot of smaller labels and when they see that nearly double as much people have the tune but not the 12" (which reason doesn't matter in the first part for them) sure they get pissed off! I think all the labels are not against mp3 itself, I think when they are ways that they get the money (then it can be more less, because they have no production costst!) they also would agree with that! I think it doesn't matter if Britney Spears sales 10 million singles or 11 million singles but I think it does matter if Black Hole is selling 30.000 or 50.000 Magix 7 albums! Sure most of you guys here said, you buy the 12" or CD if you like the track, but how many people download songs and don't buy the CDs, 12" and don't talk here in the board! And sure, I also see the problem that guys in the US can't get the CD because they don't find them, but hey, it worked also befor mp3 was born! So all I wanna say is that you also have to se the site of the business! The most label owners down drive ferrari!!!!

I think i can ensure you that they would only sell 15.000 Magix albums if Tiesto and trance music wasnt spread so much over the internet.....Since trance music isnt really on the radio and on the TV and commercial. Mp3 is the way of advertising your song exept letting DJs spin the track at partys but thats it.......everybody doesnt go to big raves....

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i will direct u to an article that was made with Tiesto (owner of Black-Hole Records Label) by the trance.nu guys :

http://www.trance.nu/v2/int_tiesto_1.php3

if u'll read the third question that iesto was asked about MP3's and read his answer u'll understand that he has no problem with that thing. did he change his mind so fast or is he just hypocrite ?

in case u won't find the Q + A here it is :

Question: What do you think when people download your songs illegaly. Is it bad because you loose royaltymoney.

Well, I'm not in there for the money. I'm really glad, actually honored, that people download my music. That's a compliment I think.

i think more ppl should read it !!!! it's unbelieveable

yours

americium (replaced the original name )

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Originally posted by americium i will direct u to an article that was made with Tiesto (owner of Black-Hole Records Label) by the trance.nu guys : http://www.trance.nu/v2/int_tiesto_1.php3 if u'll read the third question that iesto was asked about MP3's and read his answer u'll understand that he has no problem with that thing. did he change his mind so fast or is he just hypocrite ? in case u won't find the Q + A here it is : Question: What do you think when people download your songs illegaly. Is it bad because you loose royaltymoney. Well, I'm not in there for the money. I'm really glad, actually honored, that people download my music. That's a compliment I think. i think more ppl should read it !!!! it's unbelieveable yours americium (replaced the original name )

If you would have read the whole thread you would have noticed that what you are talking about now is just what we are discussing....

Peace m8

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u r right, i didnt read the all topic b4 posting the replay but atleast i managed to bring the url of the article

now even the ppl who don't know trance.nu (is it possible ?) will be able to c what Tiesto said is true

Well, I figured I'd post an opinion. Basically, I think that DJs that complain about their albums being availabe as MP3s are insane. I mean does anyone here really think Tiesto makes his money by selling albums? He gets paid huge amounts of dollars for spinning live. He is a DJ afterall right? And what are MP3s? Free advertising. I, for one, might never have heard of him without the access to MP3s. I've never even seen one of his Magik albums for sale in a store here in the US. I traveled all the way to Toronto last February just to hear him spin, purely because of the MP3s I've downloaded by him. I can understand how musical groups might shun MP3s, but a DJ should be happy that people are downloading his or her albums. The more people that hear it, the more people he or she can draw to a show, and the more money he or she can command from the venue. Seems pretty simple to me.

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Originally posted by Aviston Well, I figured I'd post an opinion. Basically, I think that DJs that complain about their albums being availabe as MP3s are insane. I mean does anyone here really think Tiesto makes his money by selling albums? He gets paid huge amounts of dollars for spinning live. He is a DJ afterall right? And what are MP3s? Free advertising. I, for one, might never have heard of him without the access to MP3s. I've never even seen one of his Magik albums for sale in a store here in the US. I traveled all the way to Toronto last February just to hear him spin, purely because of the MP3s I've downloaded by him. I can understand how musical groups might shun MP3s, but a DJ should be happy that people are downloading his or her albums. The more people that hear it, the more people he or she can draw to a show, and the more money he or she can command from the venue. Seems pretty simple to me.

Tottaly true...and that was what Tiesto said rite? That he wanted to have his music spread by Mp3..... i think something is wrong here....
Well well....

Trance is to be shared, enjoyed and to make people happy....not poor..

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