I think we're probably done debating here, but I'll add one more thought.

If you think the government's role is to provide you with a job, security, healthcare, etc., then go get a government job. You will have job security, a crappy HMO, and retirement benefits. You will NOT, however, in all liklihood, be as successful, wealthy, happy, or independent as the man/woman who makes his/her own decisions, chooses his/her own career path, and takes life by the reigns and decides their own destiny.

I, however, think that bigger government is bad for the whole.

Does anyone here actually know how the economy works? You all seem to have different theories about this issue, but it basically boils down to economics.

Tax Cuts = Expansionary Fiscal Policy.

In simple terms, this means that they want to increase total demand for goods and services in the economy.

This eventually leads to higher GDP in the economy
(although it also contributes to inflation)

GDP is a useful measure of the standard of living in society.
With higher GDP, everyone is better off.


So, basically, the effects of tax cuts are:

lower unemployment
more goods and services produced

but also higher prices


Sorry, i could go on for ages about economics stuff but i don't think you would understand lol


btw i see a lot of ppl talking about taxing the rich and giving to the poor. That's what progressive income tax does doesn't it?

I don't know about the tax system in USA, but in Australia, the more you earn, the higher the rate of income tax that you pay. These taxes go towards welfare payments such as unemployment benefits. It seems to me like your welfare system is pretty unfair in the US (from what i know)As far as i know, not everyone is covered for healthcare and unemployment benefits, so you get ppl who are extraordinarily rich but u also get many people living in poverty.

Maybe the government needs to get its priorities straight and stop spending just about as much as the rest of the world combined on the military every year.

Last edited by A.J. on Nov-11-2003 at 16:30

Thanks, Captain Obvious. What was the point of that post?

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Originally posted by Vigilante Does anyone here actually know how the economy works? You all seem to have different theories about this issue, but it basically boils down to economics. Tax Cuts = Expansionary Fiscal Policy. In simple terms, this means that they want to increase total demand for goods and services in the economy. This eventually leads to higher GDP in the economy (although it also contributes to inflation) GDP is a useful measure of the standard of living in society. With higher GDP, everyone is better off. So, basically, the effects of tax cuts are: lower unemployment more goods and services produced but also higher prices Sorry, i could go on for ages about economics stuff but i don't think you would understand lol btw i see a lot of ppl talking about taxing the rich and giving to the poor. That's what progressive income tax does doesn't it? I don't know about the tax system in USA, but in Australia, the more you earn, the higher the rate of income tax that you pay. These taxes go towards welfare payments such as unemployment benefits. It seems to me like your welfare system is pretty unfair in the US (from what i know)As far as i know, not everyone is covered for healthcare and unemployment benefits, so you get ppl who are extraordinarily rich but u also get many people living in poverty. Maybe the government needs to get its priorities straight and stop spending just about as much as the rest of the world combined on the military every year.

You shithead I study Economics, I dont need a fucking lesson in Macro. And a lot of what you say is very debatable, just because some economist says its so doesn't make it so fucking easy. As far as I am concerned this post misses the point of the whole discussion Shakka and I had. Go dig a ditch with your stupid fucking lesson. Thanx for NOTHING.

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IMO, taxes are not on everyones favorite list, but we're going to have them, no matter what. Its what's done with the taxes that should be more of the argument, not the take from the rich and give to the poor aspect. Our government spending 600,000 for a BLIMP is the problem. If the taxes that were taken out of my two paychecks (yes, I have two jobs) were used towards the common good and benefit of the society/country, I would have no problem handing over that money. Of course, I would still complain, but probably not as much.

The taking from the rich and giving to the poor concept that seems to have taken over this little debate... Everyone just wants to take from the rich out of pure jealousy, because they don't have what the more wealthy people have. IMO, there is no reason why someone cannot get a job and make their bills. There is no reason why someone has to be a bum. I know people with no completed high school education, who live in an acquaintance's house because they have yet to find somewhere to live, but found a job. They are working their way into a better life.

The problem is who society gives the bigger paycheck to, IMHO. Do we really need to pay Britney Spears millions of dollars for a half-assed voice and a skank dance? (Oh, I forgot that movie with no plot, no good acting, nothing of value- Crossroads) A lot of musicianists that I know simply want to be heard, to play for the pleasure and enjoyment of other people. Why are we giving so much money to these morons who cannot even speak? Of course I want to bring up the oh so tired reel of why aren't teachers getting more pay, because I honestly think its ridiculous how much they get paid. But enough about that, for that issue will never resolve, and can be argued for years and decades.

*sigh* I'm done ranting.

The taxes issue will never die. As I said, we shouldn't focus so much on who gets taxed as what we are doing with the tax money.

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Uhm, what's a musicianist?

Their are a few crucial things I think your all missing.

You say that being able to spend your money on whatever the hell you want is freedom? while were do you get that freedom, from living in a country. But unfortunatelly that freedom comes with a responcibility. If you don't like it then leave. And if you really feel that your constitutional rights are being violated then please don't pay your taxes and then when your taken to court argue as a defence it violated your rights.

Taxing the rich to SUPPORT the poor helps everyone in society, and not just the poor.

And to whomever said hard work can still make it in America, that is a pretty falsehood. Do you think all those people working 60 hours a week at minimum wage to support their families don't work hard? How about you go look and see how the wealth is being divided. I think you'll notice the rich class are getting smaller, and the poor larger. And its not because they don't work hard.

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That reply made very little sense. However it is obvious that you are not a supporter of Darwinist theory. Not that I am either, just pointing out the obvious.

Furthermore, I see nothing "crucial" about anything you just pointed out. In fact, I think some of these arguments are starting to nitpick and are straying too far from the core issues that we have been discussing.