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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Well this thread came right on time in lieu of recent events:

DEAN STANDS BY 'POOR WHITE' VOTE


November 5, 2003 -- Howard Dean last night refused to apologize as rivals blasted him at a Democratic debate for saying he wanted to court Southern whites who sport Confederate flags on their pickup trucks.
"I make no apologies for reaching out to poor white people," Dean, the Democratic front-runner, told a youth-oriented "Rock the Vote" debate.

The Rev. Al Sharpton led the anti-Dean attack and accused the former Vermont governor of trying to "stereotype" poor whites by using "America's swastika."

Sharpton added, "I don't think you are a bigot, but I think it was insensitive and I think you ought to apologize . . .You appear to be too arrogant to say, 'I'm wrong' and go on."

But Dean stood his ground, insisting, "We're not going to win in this country anymore as Democrats if we don't have a big tent . . . You're right, Reverend. I am not a bigot and Jesse Jackson Jr. has endorsed me and stood up for what I said."

Dean has repeatedly talked about courting Confederate-flag fans, and won applause for his stance at a Democratic National Committee meeting - but rivals last weekend began attacking him for it.

At the debate, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards drawled to Dean, "The last thing we need in the South is somebody like you coming down and telling us what we need to do."


Challenged to admit he was wrong, Dean retorted, "No I wasn't, John Edwards . . . I think the Confederate flag is a racist symbol. But I think there are a lot of poor people who fly that flag."

Hoping to win over younger voters, the candidates tried to look hip at the face-off - Wesley Clark and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) in black jackets over black sweaters, Sharpton in a three-piece suit.

Asked if they'd smoked marijuana, only Dean, Edwards and Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) said yes.

Today in New York, Dean plans to ask supporters to vote on whether he should copy President Bush and opt out of campaign-spending limits. Rivals plan to blast Dean as a hypocrite.

Meanwhile, a new poll found President Bush's ratings have slipped, but he still beats every Democrat. Gephardt came closest, trailing by 5 percentage points, while Clark did worst, trailing by 19.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/9998.htm


Not the smartest move in the world ... and him not apologizing is none too bright either.


He did apologize today:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...flag/index.html

Wasn't the smartest wording to use in his comment last night. I know what he meant. In fact I think any person with common sense knows exactly what he meant to say - just didn't quite come out right.

Oh well, not the best STRATEGERY, I guess.


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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
He did apologize today:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...flag/index.html

Wasn't the smartest wording to use in his comment last night. I know what he meant. In fact I think any person with common sense knows exactly what he meant to say - just didn't quite come out right.

Oh well, not the best STRATEGERY, I guess.


"But Dean did not apologize."

From the CNN article . He did the political tap dance around the issue.


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MisterOpus1
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"But Dean did not apologize."

From the CNN article . He did the political tap dance around the issue.


He seemingly apologized as best as any politician could, IMO.

Besides, give me one politician who doesn't tap dance around an issue when backed into a corner?


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He seemingly apologized as best as any politician could, IMO.

Besides, give me one politician who doesn't tap dance around an issue when backed into a corner?


None, they're all the same. A rational human would have apologized ... I never expected as such from a politician


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MrSquirrel
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The whole confederate flag thing creeps me out....especially the t-shirt I saw in a store in Branson.

Picture of the U.S. Capitol dome with a confederate flag flying above it and the words "I Have A Dream" emblazoned across the shirt.

Shivver.....

I needed to make "a" post in the political forum now that I am back from my travel insanity. I am too lazy to read all the threads so oh well.

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I am personally offended by the confederate flag and everything it stands for. I understand what Dean said and I have no problem with it. I really think the South should just cede... fuck em.. they can go have their lil moral paradise, and when it collapses ill be the first one their pointing and laughing...


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I am joking incase anyone didn't realize it... sort of..


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Good job dean:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...flag/index.html

That's the way to be a bigger man about things. I have more respect for someone who can admit wrongdoing/defeat.


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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Good job dean:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...flag/index.html

That's the way to be a bigger man about things. I have more respect for someone who can admit wrongdoing/defeat.


Good man. All in all, he's still my personal frontrunner. Clark second, Edwards a close third.


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Good man. All in all, he's still my personal frontrunner. Clark second, Edwards a close third.


I wouldn't be so much against him if it weren't for his silly economic policies . At least he's not as bad as kusinich ... that dumbass wants to pull out of Iraq.


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I wouldn't be so much against him if it weren't for his silly economic policies . At least he's not as bad as kusinich ... that dumbass wants to pull out of Iraq.


What parts of his economic policies do you disagree with?


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