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Originally posted by Damie Mckeown which is why I made this thread in the first place

Some synths have arpeggiators, some don't. It's not a deficiency of the sequencer you're using.

Seriously though, this brings up a bigger question. I find this tends to be a big source of confusion when people go from a semi-professional* (and I'm being nice here) package like Fruity Loops to a professional piece of software like Logic or Cubase. People don't really understand how all the pieces fit together because they've all been sort of melded together in Fruity. That's mainly why I would recommend Reason over Fruity - because at least it emulates real-life situations and helps n00bs get to know how the pieces go together. Software like Fruity Loops almost makes the learning curve for a piece of software like Logic or Cubase bigger!

*And before anyone goes yelling about "lots of professionals use Fruity Loops!" if anyone can tell me about one big name producer who uses fruity as their MAIN sequencer and control center (and back it up with proof apart from just hearsay), then maybe I'll reconsider my opinion of it as semi-professional at best.

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I'm sure that professional productions can come out of Fruity Loops but it simply cannot do what Cubase Or Logic can do. That is undisputed.

In the end it all comes down to how much talent you have through pure determination and a will to read like nobodies business. Obviously Logic and Cubase can't produce the song for you while you sit there eating potato chips. But invested time into your sequencer will only prove rewarding as long as your mind can overcome the difficulties that these 2 sequencer provide in the earlier stages. The 1st month on Logic I ripped all my pubes out lol...But at the same time I was aware that I can only move forward from here.. I can't learn less... It is gonna be frustrating no matter which sequencer you choose. If you're ready to perservere than you will. If you try and learn a new interface with one hand on the eject button than it's already over.
Whichever sequencer you choose... make sure you're using it because you have made that choice yourself.. Not because Logic Audio or Cubase kicked your ass so you had to settle for Fruity Loops because it's easier to understand. Is that really what you want your music to reflect? "I use fruity loops because it's easier to make music on" Should we all ride tricycles because they balance better?
I don't think it's too good for your sequencer to be so far beyond impossible that you'll never understand it either. But I think that Cubase and Logic provide a happy medium that anyone can tackle with a little bit of effort each day and some patience.




Just some thoughts.

I think its all bullshit, most of the good shit comes from how you work the Vst synths or plugins. Fruityloops, logic, cubase etc are just hosts, some are more life like in terms of connections having to make you actualy connect stuff to channels etc. some may be able to do stuff quicker or better, but the Host really doesnt make that much difference.
Anyway saying this, I have to learn Logic because its my Audio College standard, hell they think Fruityloops is a sample based loop program (like Ejay)

Offcourse there are people that makes professional tracks with Fruityloops. It´s a great program. But if you see Logic after you used Fruityloops you think: Damn, fruity is easier. You´re right, it is. I don´t say which program is the best. The best program is the program that works for you! If you work in Fruityloops and then you go to the "hardware"-studio, you can´t find your way out. If you work with Logic or something, the interface looks "real". Also the
"routing" is simulated etc...

I always worked with Reason and I used fruity for a few times (for vst-support) and I must
say: you need very good samples for that program go get out what you want. Also you can only
use only one type compressor in Reason (you can use more, but not DIFFERENT one´s). In logic you have more of them. In logic you can also use sidechain-compression. Send to bus, send more parts to one midi-channel etc. Many professional people work with Logic because it
has some great features. I´m not a pro but even I can find my way out for a standard song (and I´m using Logic for 2 weeks now). It has a great engine and great routingsystem. It´s like the real thing. Also it´s great for hardware-support.

But..... you can use a great tool but if you suck....well...you suck.
Producing is in the brains. Only it may come in handy if you can realize this in your program...

Many people are saying that you can hear that a song is made with fruity or reason (when it´s not mastered by a pro). I dunno. But if you must learn it for school, why don´t experiment, fail,
experiment, and get your way around?

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Originally posted by DjMorpheus Damn, fruity is easier. You´re right, it is.

It's easier because you can't do as much with it. It's just not as flexible...

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Originally posted by Damie Mckeown hell they think Fruityloops is a sample based loop program (like Ejay)

that's because originally that's all it was.

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Originally posted by DjMorpheus Offcourse there are people that makes professional tracks with Fruityloops. It´s a great program. But if you see Logic after you used Fruityloops you think: Damn, fruity is easier. You´re right, it is. I don´t say which program is the best. The best program is the program that works for you! If you work in Fruityloops and then you go to the "hardware"-studio, you can´t find your way out. If you work with Logic or something, the interface looks "real". Also the "routing" is simulated etc... I always worked with Reason and I used fruity for a few times (for vst-support) and I must say: you need very good samples for that program go get out what you want. Also you can only use only one type compressor in Reason (you can use more, but not DIFFERENT one´s). In logic you have more of them. In logic you can also use sidechain-compression. Send to bus, send more parts to one midi-channel etc. Many professional people work with Logic because it has some great features. I´m not a pro but even I can find my way out for a standard song (and I´m using Logic for 2 weeks now). It has a great engine and great routingsystem. It´s like the real thing. Also it´s great for hardware-support. But..... you can use a great tool but if you suck....well...you suck. Producing is in the brains. Only it may come in handy if you can realize this in your program... Many people are saying that you can hear that a song is made with fruity or reason (when it´s not mastered by a pro). I dunno. But if you must learn it for school, why don´t experiment, fail, experiment, and get your way around?

Yeah Man, Im looking Forward to learning the program. Now that Im taking my music making more serious its a good idea to move on, its just scary having to be a Newb all over again.

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Originally posted by Phantax If you're hellbent on arps than choose Z3TA. hell, choose zt3a without the arpeggiator feature. It has some of the most lush analog sounds, a huge amount of presets.. And it's fun to work with.

yeah the arpeggiator is awesome..... apart from the fact that it's very buggy, keeps on skipping notes

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