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Originally posted by Flotser c'mon... there is a big difference between those articles you bring and that footage. the footage is combined of pictures seen on palestinian national tv, those are the most live facts a person can ask for. so dont go and justify yourself for not calling this video biased, cause you see in your eyes the reality, not a copy/a biased interpretation of it (i'm not talking about the nerration).

You must be a big fucking idiot.. That really made me laugh. You speak of bias, yet you dont acknowledge that it was NARRATED by PRO-ISRAELI propaganda.


For fuck sake, think before you type.

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Originally posted by Scorchio I Dont get something, someone posts about Israeli death toll and he gets flamed for not considering the Palestinians. But if the sweet innocent pure Palestinian posts about deaths of Palestinians, no one gives a shit... fascinating. I Still wonder how people like Hardcore Trancer can beso blind to the fact the children ARE carrying bombs and throw grenades at tanks.

No Iam not blind,I saw the video too just like you,but I cant just go and say all the Palastinians childrens carry bombs and want to kill people because I saw it in the video.Iam not saying what u saw in the video is fake.I just think you should be more open minded about it,not to jump on conclusions such as all the childrens are terrorists.Even if some of them are like that do you think that they are like natural born killers??something must've happend to them.Dont forget that they are kids,and they are very emotional,and for example if their parent had died by the IDF soldiers,obviously he/she would want revenge.I know you might think it is not fair but life isnt fair either.
and about what u said about Arafat,Iam sure there are people who like him, or hate him,and to some of the palastinians he is their only hope,and he means so much to them,and that goes to all the other leaders in the world.Do you think all the Isreali people love Sharon??do you think he is some sort of saint??
All Iam trying to say is that no leader is perfect,why?because they are human just like you and me.

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Never have I said all childrens are terrorists.
And never have I said all Palestinians/Arabs are bad people, my mother worked with arabs for years and they respected each other, arabs are very polite civilised people when it comes to human relations.
No, I dont think Sharon is a saint, and of course there is a part who doesnt like him or his actions.

Yes Arrafat is popular among several palestinian populations but the majority do not like him becuase he doesnt give a shit about his people, he doesnt provide them with health services or take care for the hungry families and that is a FACT!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King yet you dont acknowledge that it was NARRATED by PRO-ISRAELI propaganda.

Yes thats obvious but that doesnt cancel the fact that those things have been said and are happening.

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Originally posted by Scorchio Yes Arrafat is popular among several palestinian populations but the majority do not like him becuase he doesnt give a shit about his people, he doesnt provide them with health services or take care for the hungry families and that is a FACT!

I say it again,NO LEADER IS PERFECT,why pickin on Arafat??

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Originally posted by TranceGiant oh dont u call me a zionist you greedy powerful jew.

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Originally posted by Palestinian Let's try to cut down the second article I posted into statistics: On average, three Palestinian are killed every day. Palestinian children killed total 495 year-to-date, including a 3-month-old infant girl named Duniya. People disabled total 2500 -- 500 who are children. Since the Second Intifada, 100 Palestinian children have lost their eyes to rubber bullets, which can penetrate the skull. In some instances, it happened while they sat in school. Over the last, three years, 292 Palestinians have been assassinated; 142 were bystanders, meaning “unintended” victims; 33 were children and 25 were woman. Over 40 per cent of Palestinian men have been to jail, including a 12-year-old boy from Jericho. He is incarcerated in deplorable conditions… he has tried to kill himself three times. Since the Second Intifada, 2000 Palestinian children have been imprisoned. At present, more than 360 children are currently incarcerated in Israeli detention centers and prisons. Health care is under siege constantly. Ambulances are attacked – with patients in them – and are crushed by Israeli tanks. Since September 2000, 121 ambulances have been destroyed beyond repair. Injured people have been denied access in 991 reported cases; 27 children (17 newborns) were prevented medical treatment at checkpoints; 53 women have given birth at checkpoints because they were prevented from reaching medical facilities; 25 medical personnel have been killed and 425 medical personnel have been injured. In numerous instances, many people are left to bleed to death. Finally, nine journalists who covered the conflict have been shot and killed as well. The psychological impact is tremendous. According to Barghouthi’s presentation, 93 per cent of the children feel unsafe or exposed to attacks; 48 per cent have experienced violence. The destruction of houses is psychological terror because the experience remains with the children for the rest of their lives. Rafah has had 7523 homes razed from the ground – 12000 in Gaza. Thousands of dunums of Palestinian land have had their olive and citrus trees uprooted to tree stumps and barrenness. The construction of the wall alone has destroyed 102,320 trees. If my articles are too long, then don't read them. Izzy showed you some footage. So what? I can show you some footage too. Apart from the narration of Izzy's footage, what you saw was true. I didn't call it fake or biased. But you guys will call anything posted by Palestinian sources biased. You won't even consider it. You won't even acknowledge the statistical facts that I can bring you from many other sources as well. You're pathetic. You live in denial. You're a waste of time.

thats a good summary, i'll be using that on the 50 other forums im subscribed too ;p

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Originally posted by tathi thats a good summary, i'll be using that on the 50 other forums im subscribed too ;p

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! You are a troll!

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Originally posted by Scorchio Never have I said all childrens are terrorists. And never have I said all Palestinians/Arabs are bad people, my mother worked with arabs for years and they respected each other, arabs are very polite civilised people when it comes to human relations. No, I dont think Sharon is a saint, and of course there is a part who doesnt like him or his actions. Yes Arrafat is popular among several palestinian populations but the majority do not like him becuase he doesnt give a shit about his people, he doesnt provide them with health services or take care for the hungry families and that is a FACT!

if only more people on BOTH sides were as Liberal and as open minded as you my friend ! well said.

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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! You are a troll!

all the other forums are gaming forums though, wonder how i can bring it up casually ;p

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I say it again,NO LEADER IS PERFECT,why pickin on Arafat??

Well there are plenty of examples of people picking on Sharon ... why pick on Sharon?

To be honest however, though I despise and dislike Sharon, I absolutely abhor arafat. Sharon at least has the well-being of his people in mind ... Arafat only has HIMSELF in mind. Simply look at the manipulation and consolidation of power he has practiced throughout the years. It's simply criminal how he has sacrificed peace in the stead of his own personal political gain. He is the 6th most wealthiest king/queen/despot in the world when his people are one of the poorest. He's clearly profiting off of the misery of his people and that is despicable ...

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/...3/0317/049.html

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