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Originally posted by Cyrus King He is probably the most hated man on earth.

ya ok

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Have you ever taken into consideration at the portrayal of these protests throughout the media during the many years. Always, they end up showing the most extreme poster, or clashes with authorities, or people painted with disrespectful slogans against whomever they are protesting against. It is formulaic... close up or show scuffle or eye catching protesters instead of boring protesters that are without extravagant signs. Im sure most people there just dont like the lack of respect that Bush and CO. have for humanity. Telling lies and then asking for help becuase of the disastrous affects of the lies.

Maybe you have a point Cyrus, after all we often see the worse of the worst. Obviously if you have tens of thousands of people then there will be a wide range of opinions.

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Yoepus - 100,000+ protestors (rizen's right for a wkday it def wasnt too shabby). London Met Police estimate, i'd say that was about right.

Best sign i saw all day: 'Coke dealers against Bush'

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Originally posted by occrider Yes that is true but NYCtrancefan does possess an extremely valid point that does piss me off to no end about protestors in general. That point being, WHY do many of these protestors exhibit the most asinine sense of hypocrisy that one could possibly fathom? That hypocrisy being, that they claim to cherish and value human rights as the fundamental basis for their call to action, YET they choose to come out in the thousands to protest action to remove regimes who are the biggest offenders to human rights. That in itself is not the offensive part, what IS the offensive part, is how activists fail to protest their government's implicit support for these regimes that, in the end, result in the deaths of 10 times as many civilians than the action they eventually protest. Where were the thousands of protestors denouncing France, Germany, and Russia's LONGTIME support of weapons sales and oil interest purchases in Iraq that supported the regime??? Where were the American protestors when the Americans backed the Iraqis with arms sales and chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war???? Where were the protests when Rwanda was going on??? How about during the early stages of Kosovo??? There were actually protests arguing against intervention in Kosovo. That is why I can never have any respect for most of these groups ... are they FOR human rights or are they simply for inaction altogether???

You have to look at it from a but more of a pragmatic standpoint. Very few of these people are full time activists and organizers. Most are people with political views who want to lend their support for a cause. As so it's a lot easier to rally around a large event, such as an invasion, then it is to rally around selling arms, etc.

And as far as that article goes it's kind of ridiculous to try and read something like that as news. It's not even trying to be subtle about it's bias.

It is also important to realize that although their are a lot of people who arent well educated on the issue, their are millions around the world partaking in such activity. And the movement does have a large base in the academic community and in universities.

A lot of the more militant and less educated people are simply younger and more angry. I went to an action against the FTAA yesterday and it was mostly perfectly peaceful university kids. However their were maybe 5 or 6 people wearing bellevlacas or bandanas over there faces who did some pretty stupid violent shit just for the sake of doing it. It is those 5 or 6 out of every thousand that cause a real problem for the movement.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio You have to look at it from a but more of a pragmatic standpoint. Very few of these people are full time activists and organizers. Most are people with political views who want to lend their support for a cause. As so it's a lot easier to rally around a large event, such as an invasion, then it is to rally around selling arms, etc.

But they have a far better chance of influencing the way their own government deals with these countries than they have of influencing any foreign government's methods ... why not rally against the entity rather than the action? If we saw world protests against Iraq on the same level that we saw world protests against the removal of Iraq, Iraq wouldn't have survived very long without making some kind of changes ... but I suppose that when a dictator kills his own people nobody cares ... as long as it's his own people.

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Vesa-

I've always wondered--what exactly is Finland like? Never been and never really known anyone from Scandonavia. I once met a girl from Norway, but that was almost 20 years ago. What's the economy/gov't/social scene like?

Thx

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Originally posted by Shakka Vesa- I've always wondered--what exactly is Finland like? Never been and never really known anyone from Scandonavia. I once met a girl from Norway, but that was almost 20 years ago. What's the economy/gov't/social scene like? Thx

why not just:

Pics (of finnish girls) or STFU

Hey Vesa didn't she had to resign (The Prime Minister) or something I remembered reading the story on NRK Forsida-the Norewegian Newsite about some scandal involving her. Yeah and the Finns are pretty intent on remaining neutral too. One word comes to mind Vyborg didn't this use to be Finnish, from the name its obvious but now part of Russia today. Finland ended up losing a lot of territory from war with the Soviet Union. Based on historical conflicts, how is the view of Russia in Finland by the way.

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Originally posted by occrider But they have a far better chance of influencing the way their own government deals with these countries than they have of influencing any foreign government's methods ... why not rally against the entity rather than the action? If we saw world protests against Iraq on the same level that we saw world protests against the removal of Iraq, Iraq wouldn't have survived very long without making some kind of changes ... but I suppose that when a dictator kills his own people nobody cares ... as long as it's his own people.

Lets see... most of "his own" people he killed were either on the side of Iran during the Iran vs Iraq war, which we supplied most of the weapons to do so, or people that tried to overthrow him after the gulfwar due to US statement that we would help. Did Saddam have cruel punishment? sure, but so do our allies

i love the guys that rock up to the anti-globalisation rallies in nike shoes shorts and shirts