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Originally posted by fuct4less sickening, and typical of the riot squads to do things like this to protesters. protesters and activists do many of these things as a form of retaliation to pigs because pigs are often just as brutal (or worse). throwing a brick into a window or spray painting a wall isnt as bad as oh... i dunno... shooting a peaceful protester twice in the chest and then running him over with an suv maybe? (read up on the carlos guiliani incident in itally a couple years ago). theyre just fighting fire with fire.

calling the police pigs is immature enough, but i'll put that to the side like i never saw it happen.
I think u r putting blind eye to this sitaution even worse than only Fox News can. (on purpose?)
The police are simply there for YOUR protection, so that people of a different perspective don't harass and attack u during ur demonstrations. Go ahead and protest, i am all for peaceful assembly and the freedom of spreading ideas. However, what do we see at these protests? Grafitti, indecent exposure, threats, public defecation in the streets, throwing objects. Once this type of behavior is seen, i give the police full freedom to control this now ILLEGAL protest. it is no longer a peaceful protest, and thus the police have full rights to end it in the safest manner possible. and if idiots want to throw bottles at the riot police, don't fucking cry to a lawyer when u get knocked in ur head for promoting violence.

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Originally posted by djSlain calling the police pigs is immature enough, but i'll put that to the side like i never saw it happen. I think u r putting blind eye to this sitaution even worse than only Fox News can. (on purpose?) The police are simply there for YOUR protection, so that people of a different perspective don't harass and attack u during ur demonstrations. Go ahead and protest, i am all for peaceful assembly and the freedom of spreading ideas. However, what do we see at these protests? Grafitti, indecent exposure, threats, public defecation in the streets, throwing objects. Once this type of behavior is seen, i give the police full freedom to control this now ILLEGAL protest. it is no longer a peaceful protest, and thus the police have full rights to end it in the safest manner possible. and if idiots want to throw bottles at the riot police, don't fucking cry to a lawyer when u get knocked in ur head for promoting violence.

This is kind of a ridiculous logic. Clearly not everyone, and most likelly not anything close to a majority, are doing anything illegal. Following this logic then once someone takes a drug at a party, the party then becomes illegal.

The police are in some instances their for your protection, but in many others they are not. They are clearly their to indimidate people.

Has anyone posting here been active politically and been going to protests for years? Once you've been to enough of them you will see a very clear trend begin to emerge. Protests get violent largelly when police come with excessive force. And its not just about the one event. It happens over time. Police become more and more oppressive and forceful and the protestors in turn begin to become more prepared for violence and more equpped. Attacks like this are not justifiable. The police are in the position of authority, and this is clearly an abuse of it.

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and what would happen if the police weren't there? if they(protesters) act like complete idiots WHILE being monitored and patrolled by police, i'd like to see what they do when the authorities leave. we both know the answer.

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Anyways, it's really simple: peaceful protesters don't have to worry about the cops; Disorderly, violent protestors have to worry, because those cops are there to protect the rights of the law-abiding protestors. The violent law-breaking thugs have no right to be out there spoiling it for everybody, and those cops acted totally within their realm of authority.

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Originally posted by JJ20GW Hello ppl, this is my very first post in trance addict! Anyways, it's really simple: peaceful protesters don't have to worry about the cops; Disorderly, violent protestors have to worry, because those cops are there to protect the rights of the law-abiding protestors. The violent law-breaking thugs have no right to be out there spoiling it for everybody, and those cops acted totally within their realm of authority.

cool welcome aboard. i think its a good sign for us regular posters here to see that you made you first post in the politics section... nice sig also.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio This is kind of a ridiculous logic. Clearly not everyone, and most likelly not anything close to a majority, are doing anything illegal. Following this logic then once someone takes a drug at a party, the party then becomes illegal.

oh but wait... when someone does use drugs in a party the party does become illegal, how horrible guess we'll have to apply this "ridiculous" logic elsewhere.

Just in the same way that if the party is serving beer to minors it is illegal...

Guess we better revamp the whole legal system as its based on this "ridiculous" logic, obviously we really have to reconsider our entire fundamental world views in society.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio This is kind of a ridiculous logic. Clearly not everyone, and most likelly not anything close to a majority, are doing anything illegal. Following this logic then once someone takes a drug at a party, the party then becomes illegal. The police are in some instances their for your protection, but in many others they are not. They are clearly their to indimidate people. Has anyone posting here been active politically and been going to protests for years? Once you've been to enough of them you will see a very clear trend begin to emerge. Protests get violent largelly when police come with excessive force. And its not just about the one event. It happens over time. Police become more and more oppressive and forceful and the protestors in turn begin to become more prepared for violence and more equpped. Attacks like this are not justifiable. The police are in the position of authority, and this is clearly an abuse of it.

Parties do become illegal because of that and many raves are broken up because of it. I don't think it is ridiculus to break up a protest if only a few are being disruptive. That illegal behavior displayed by a few catches on to others, quickly. It has been shown that group think and mob mentality are strong influences on most everyone. There of course will be those that do not fall into this, but they are few.

This was shown at woodstock in 99 think it was, or it might have been the other one where there were fires and destruction. It happens when sports teams win and a mob of people overturn cars.


since this behavior can spread like wild fire it is ever so important that the disruption be taken care of immediatly. If it is big enough then I belief it is fine to break up the entire demonstration.

and for police to be over prepared for demonstrations is bad......well I think that for the lives of the officers and some innocent bistanders under-prepared cops are worse. If a situation escalates quickly are they going to run back to their cars to grab extra gear?


it is a bad situation either way, police provoke demonstrators and demonstrators provoke cops. You will never settle this because obviously when telling tales of demonstrations gone wrong no one knows all of the facts. We can only go off of bias self reports, and that goes for both demonstrators and cops.