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jesten
Electronic Sumo



Registered: May 2001
Location: Vancity

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Originally posted by TranceGeek
umm, why exactly are you counting the beats? it isnt really clear to me... the way i would beatmatch is by feel like someone mentioned... when youre counting, are you listenin to how long the gaps between the bars are?! someone please clear this up for me? thanks!


I will try to explain this the best I can so bear with me.
In a song there will usually be an element of the track add or disappear every 8,16,32 beats or so. So when you are mixing in a track, the 2 records will have element changes at the same time.

ex. record1 12345678/22345678/32345678/42345678
record2 12345678/22345678/32345678/42345678

I hoped that helped, or at least made sence.

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Old Post Jul-26-2001 01:59  Canada
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jesten
Electronic Sumo



Registered: May 2001
Location: Vancity

It was supposed to look like this..........

record1 12345678/22345678/32345678/42345678
record2 12345678/22345678/32345678/42345678

ooops

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knamj
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Registered: Mar 2001
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Is it cheating to write down the bpm on the label?

so you have a "general" idea where to cue up the pitch control in relation to the other record's turntable.

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Eugene
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Maryland USA
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The advice is simple: Don't try to match just the beats, try to match the BLOCKS. A block is one complete measure, it's usually started by a loud drum, and ended by a build-up to the next block.


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mute79
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i see what you mean, i think, but you would count beats only when youre sure that the 2 records have the same tempo, right? like, first, you would beatmatch by feel, then when youre sure that the two records are going at the same bpm rate, you would start counting the beats in order to mix the 2 records... is this how it goes?

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D-Syde
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Orlando, FL

Counting beats / paying attention to measures, has nothing to do with actual beat matching!

To beat match you just have to get the two records at the same speed so each of the bass hits happen at the same time. Once you are sure they are matched then you wanna pay attention to the bars and measures. (this is easier and makes it sound a hell of a lot better when you are actually mixing in the song) BUT, before you begin to mix them in they need to be matched.

Now some poeple once they feel the records are matched then listen to the bars & measures...making sure that the records stay in sync for a certain amout of measures...say like 3 or 4 measures.

a measure can be like:
1-2345678, 2-2345678, 3-2345678, 4-2345678
or you can count them like this:
1-234. 2-234, 3-234, 4-234, 5-234, 6-234, 7-234, 8-234

Both of those are exactly the same...some people do it one way some do it the other.


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D-Syde
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Orlando, FL

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Is it cheating to write down the bpm on the label?


I wouldnt say its CHEATING...its kinda cheap though. I would deffinetly not reley on this. Learn to do it correctly in the first place and it'll make things SOOO much easier down the line.

What if you are dependent upon knowing the BPM, and your spinning for some friends or something and the sticker falls off...now it'll take you say 4 or 5 minutes to match that record, as apposed to like 1 or 2.

Its just something you should not reley on!


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havok118
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Baltimore, MD

No, go ahead and write the bpms on the labels, it will help you when you are getting started...just don't get into calculating percentages.

Eventually you'll learn to realize the difference between fast and slow, just like it's night and day.


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DJ LIQUID
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: IL USA
Smiley DJ

Magic number is "4"
dont be afraid to fix the pitch while you have them both live
your not gonna match them perfectly unless youve been at it for a long time......keep your cool and dont get so nervous that you'll actually make yourself mess up the beats


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DJ LIQUID
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: IL USA
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In response to that Writing the BPMs on the records.......i dont think thats the best thing to do......i tried doing that and it made it more difficult to mix.....

DO it by ear...it'll help you in the long run....what r u gonna do when you get a whole fresh set of vinyls right down all the BPMs....HELL NAW.....

i think the best time you can mix a track is when youve never heard it before.

Throw away that BPM crap....if you learn it by ear you'll be unstopable


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Max2LC
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Baltimore, USA
Yea..

All I can say is that it takes time...
give it some time...u need to hear a beat...and i u have no ear or beat in your brain....chances are it will take you longer to do it..


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