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Originally posted by alanzo Sub note: One HUGE even GINORMOUS thing that helped in my producing was taking piano lessons and music theory - keep that in mind if you ever want to progress past trance [] control (a perfect example of great production skills with no musical talent)

I think thats what I need. Anyone suggest any good books for music theory?

I'm just trying to get as many different perspectives as possible and see which I can apply. Thanks

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I remember years back when I'd take alternative rock songs and edit them and add effects in programs like soundforge and cool edit showing them off to my friends thinking I was all bad ass. gradually i got into some soft synths like rebirth and fruity loops. Then i got some money and bought a groove box. I played around making tons of incomplete songs before I actually ever finished anything.

started using fruity loops. got some help from my good friend rb2k1 about basslines and some stuff you can do on the program and some fx stuff. been producing for 7 months now. its fun. the rest of teh stuff i think i was just sort of expermenting and finding what i thought worked

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Originally posted by alanzo Sub note: One HUGE even GINORMOUS thing that helped in my producing was taking piano lessons and music theory - keep that in mind if you ever want to progress past trance [] control (a perfect example of great production skills with no musical talent)

Wait, hold the phone...so they got no musical talent? But make great songs? So they base their music on hard facts and theory?



Anyway, I learned everyting on my own, by experimenting mostly...

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I started around 6 months ago by getting Fruity Loops + Reason. Looking back now, if someone asked me "how to produce" I wouldn't reply with an ambigous word such as "experiment" because for the first two months that's all i did, and it got me fucking nowhere.

Over the past few months I've learned that producing is alot more then just randomly tweaking knobs in these programs. It's about knowing how to shape and craft a sound, while training your ear to know what sounds good, and what doesn't. It's about continually critiscing your work, while not giving up for something that's second best. You have to have an ear that knows what's missing at a certain frequecy, while at the same time, you have to know how to fill it up without getting it overcrowded and muddy. I would say it's like walking a tightrope. You have to know how to get the balance perfect. If you loose the balance of the sound. You're fucked. Above all, it's about analyzing a sound, and trying to get it to sound "right"

Then again, if i read this when i started out, i wouldn't have a clue what it means hope it helps someone tho.

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Originally posted by Coudburst Wait, hold the phone...so they got no musical talent? But make great songs? So they base their music on hard facts and theory?

They have great production skills (mixing it together and EQing and such) but they have no composition skills - just listen to their songs - every one of them lacks a distinct melody, even when they said it has one in the song description. They said it themselves "Everything we know is self tought" you can teach yourself production but good luck teaching yourself music theory.

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Originally posted by alanzo They have great production skills (mixing it together and EQing and such) but they have no composition skills - just listen to their songs - every one of them lacks a distinct melody, even when they said it has one in the song description. They said it themselves "Everything we know is self tought" you can teach yourself production but good luck teaching yourself music theory.

Soo, with "musical talent" you then mean "able to compose melodic trance melodies" or "know musical theory"? Not the word I would use, but I get your point.

But I still think they have some nice melodies (I'm no t[]c fan tho)...

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Originally posted by SOLTRI I think thats what I need. Anyone suggest any good books for music theory?

http://www.ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf

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Last edited by fl0w on Dec-22-2003 at 07:45

Massive expiermentation, bought Reason and learned a ltitle bit of the hardware aspects from it. learneda thing or to from friends who produce as well

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