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Originally posted by Dopey The curfews and bans on demonstrations are a safety precaution. Soldiers can't see a gunman in the middle of a crowd. It's that simple. And it's not even a nationwide thing. Not even close. It's happening in the few cities/villages that see multiple attacks each day. When they stop shooting at them, maybe the coalition troops will let them protest. It's not like the city of New York would be allowed to protest if every time there was a protest there a bunch of people got shot or blown up.

I agree as long as it's only temporary until things become more stable. I certainly don't want to see any more dead american soldiers or dead Iraqis from violent clashes.

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Originally posted by Shakka America is a Republic. Much of American ideology is shaped by the concept of 'Freedom of Choice'.

Aye that sounds good, but how do you explain the opposition to abortion, emergency contraception, truthful/accurate sex education in public schools (private schools may do whatever they please), or even Resident Bush's FDA appointee, who throughout his career, has refused to prescribe women oral contraceptives if they are unmarried? And this despite the fact that the US has the highest rate of teen and unwanted pregnancy in the world! This despite the fact that the overwhelming body of science shows that countries that are the most liberal in their sex education have the lowest teen and unwanted pregnancy rates!

How do you explain, a few decades back, the opposition to equal, civil, and voting rights for ethnic and religious minorities? How do you explain the opposition to millions of people, many of whom have dodged bullets in wars for a country that treats them as second-class citizens, choosing whom they want to marry, even if that person is of the same sex?

On the other end of the spectrum, gun control is about "freedom of choice" as well, and that's why I oppose gun control that targets hunters instead of felons and terrorists. If you believe in "freedome of choice" you have to be consistent about it ffs. The true measure of how "free" a country is, in my opinion, how free the minority is. I presume we differ in that view of the world.

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Originally posted by hardstyle America will never going to understand, not every freaking country wants demnocracy nor wanna be like America. So why democracy is so good? To have all those stupid laws what they made up in America? Drinking age limit, in Europe i dont think people care if people drink under of age of 21. I was at the beer festival in Munich and i seen parents take they 8 years old kids there, nobody said anything like ," Oh you cant bring your kid to a beer festival, now im going to tell on you and you going to the jail" In america if i would take my kid to a beer festival i would go to the jail. There is your freedom. Secound , no boobies on the tv???? Well in Europe , you turn on the tv , see naked women showering in the body wash commerical. Or turn the german tv on saturday night , you can see naked boobies on the tv. In America? Oh noooo you cant see naked boobies on tv becouse its not violent. Cant get into clubs till your 21+

If you want to see boobies you can pay for some of the premium cable or satellite channels that show nudity/pornography. Or you can go to a video store and rent an R rated or X rated movie. I agree with you that the drinking age should be left up the states unfettered by federal handicap or blackmail. Also you are comparing different cultures.

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Plus censorship in America?? If you say a bad word about our goverment everybody jump on your ass. Just look at the dixie chicks, they got hated becouse they were against the war.

That doesn't make any sense mate. The Chix are free to speak their mind, and some of their fans are free to stop supporting them. I'm also free to agree with them, because I'm also ashamed to say I'm from Texas since this is Bush's home state.

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Couple of months ago i was listening to a BBC radio , and they flamed the British prime minister a big time. Nobody got fired and people didnt say, "oh now becouse you flamed the Prime minister we wont listen to BBC nomore"

I agree with you that the American media are pussies for the most part when it comes to grilling the president (of either party).

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if you could choose what you want to see on tv , what it would bve:
violance
naked women

id choose naked women over blood

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Originally posted by hardstyle Do you think in America we have true democracy ? Well you are wrong , America is controlled by the goverment.This so called freedom doesnt really exist in America. If you would go to other countries in Europe , you would see Europiens have more freedom the Americans. You keep believ what the goverment tells you . Im from Europe and we have more freedom then America America is still 200-300 years old. I wish people would understand ,America isnt as awsome as how they tells you

AMERICA IS THE BEST, YOU UNPATROTIC COMMIE SOB

jk, i fully agree

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Originally posted by hardstyle Do you think in America we have true democracy ? Well you are wrong , America is controlled by the goverment.This so called freedom doesnt really exist in America. If you would go to other countries in Europe , you would see Europiens have more freedom the Americans. You keep believ what the goverment tells you . Im from Europe and we have more freedom then America America is still 200-300 years old. I wish people would understand ,America isnt as awsome as how they tells you

what are you even talking about?

what freedoms don't exist in america??

and who is telling you that america is so great?? president bush? what do u think, ppl in the states sit around talking about how great america is?

how old are you?

What was i saying is , 80% people say in this country that," America has the most freedom of the world, and no other countries have as much freedom as America."

And you would be surprised how many people think this country is the greatest of all countries

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it unfortunately seems that this article is no longer on reuters. does anybody happen to have any other articles on this? i kinda need to find a story on this.

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Originally posted by hardstyle America will never going to understand, not every freaking country wants demnocracy nor wanna be like America. So why democracy is so good? To have all those stupid laws what they made up in America? Drinking age limit, in Europe i dont think people care if people drink under of age of 21. I was at the beer festival in Munich and i seen parents take they 8 years old kids there, nobody said anything like ," Oh you cant bring your kid to a beer festival, now im going to tell on you and you going to the jail" In america if i would take my kid to a beer festival i would go to the jail. There is your freedom. Secound , no boobies on the tv???? Well in Europe , you turn on the tv , see naked women showering in the body wash commerical. Or turn the german tv on saturday night , you can see naked boobies on the tv. In America? Oh noooo you cant see naked boobies on tv becouse its not violent. Cant get into clubs till your 21+ Plus censorship in America?? If you say a bad word about our goverment everybody jump on your ass. Just look at the dixie chicks, they got hated becouse they were against the war. Couple of months ago i was listening to a BBC radio , and they flamed the British prime minister a big time. Nobody got fired and people didnt say, "oh now becouse you flamed the Prime minister we wont listen to BBC nomore" Plus if some other country dont wanna fallow America in war , is being called Anti-American, i think they are just an Anti-War people

We have got quite a few issues don't we with America, maybe you should do some research if you believe that people can't criticize George Bush like Tony Blair was criticized on BBC. The problem with the Dixie Chicks in case you didn't know is that they are from the South which strongly support Bush and the Dixie Chicks audiences are usually from there as well, so their fans didn't take kindly to their comments. I could have cared less, I don't listen to them anyway. Its not about people not following America into war and being called Anti-American, what do you make of those who have Nazi swastikas emblazed on the American Flag in their protests.

Whether you realize it or not there are anti-American masses in Europe and that is their right to do so, it doesn't stop Americans from going about their lives. Most of the things you stated are the common notions held by many in Europe about America, I am amazed you left off the part about cowboys as well. Tell you what if you don't like Americans telling the world about democracy and its values then isn't it ironic that you are pointing out your values and how America falls short of those, such as being able to drink under 21, and taking a kid to a beer festival. Just my observation though. I could easily turn and say to you leave Americans to decide the values of America and be thankful you don't live here to be under them since they are so agregious. Oh the irony of it all

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The radical right has a propensity to start shooting during Iraqi demonstrations and the masses don't seem compelled to stop them, so tanks and firepower are generally the solution. The people need to stop these radicals and start realizing that they are in charge instead of the militants. For instance, if someone brandished a weapon here in the states during a protest, don't you think all the protesters as well as police would all jump on them?


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