imo throwing a proven murder into prison for life is alot more harsh than a simple needle injection. the only problem is the dollars to keep that prison up and running, of course this wouldnt be as big as an issue if weed was legalize, it will cut about half our prison population here in california.

Isn't ironic that people (religious right) have a pro-life stance but yet favor the death penalty? So much for building a "culture of life".

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Originally posted by PHALPAX Isn't ironic that people (religious right) have a pro-life stance but yet favor the death penalty? So much for building a "culture of life".

no, actually its not ironic. it's not about a "culture of life".
the christian arguement says that aborting a child is killing in innocent person who is killed for no apparent reason, whereas killing a guilty person is a punishment / consequence to an action for which was done out of 'free will'.

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Originally posted by Izzy no, actually its not ironic. it's not about a "culture of life". the christian arguement says that aborting a child is killing in innocent person who is killed for no apparent reason, whereas killing a guilty person is a punishment / consequence to an action for which was done out of 'free will'.

no its ok leave them be.. they can't grasp minor contradictions, especially when they are morally symetric, they mistake it for hypocracy.

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Originally posted by Izzy no, actually its not ironic. it's not about a "culture of life". the christian arguement says that aborting a child is killing in innocent person who is killed for no apparent reason, whereas killing a guilty person is a punishment / consequence to an action for which was done out of 'free will'.

Killing something is............killing something. You may justify the circumstance that something was killed for/by, but the fact remains that you are terminating a carbon based organism. To correct myself from my previous post, I was implying the protestant christian right.....catholics are against the death penalty.

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Originally posted by rizen imo throwing a proven murder into prison for life is alot more harsh than a simple needle injection. the only problem is the dollars to keep that prison up and running, of course this wouldnt be as big as an issue if weed was legalize, it will cut about half our prison population here in california.

Of course it is, having the option of parole, leaving to visit your parents and relatives, getting to watch TV on your ass all day long.. yea its really is worse then death

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If we're going to blame killing someone on being "sick," then why can't we extend that to every day crimes? After all a "normal" person wouldn't commit a crime, would they? If that's the case why do we have punishments at all, after all it's not really their fault, it's biology's and genetic's fault. It's a rediculous precident to set, saying that merely the act of killing someone makes them "sick." Biology and genes can't wield a knife or pull a trigger, only a person can, and that person must be held accountable.

As far as the whole pro-life/death penalty thing goes... I think I said something about it earlier, but it's all about choice (ironic, I know). The unborn fetus/baby whatever you want to call it, has no choice as to whether it will be killed or allowed to live. The murderer has made a choice as to whether he will take the life of another, therefore allowing his own life to be taken in return. I would argue strongly that much the same way a victim of a murder would choose life over being killed, if it were possible to ask a fetus if it would like to be killed or allowed to live, it would also choose life.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Of course it is, having the option of parole, leaving to visit your parents and relatives, getting to watch TV on your ass all day long.. yea its really is worse then death

To be politically correct, that preference isn't necessarily universal...more so depending on the mental and psychological status of the accused.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono As far as the whole pro-life/death penalty thing goes... I think I said something about it earlier, but it's all about choice (ironic, I know). The unborn fetus/baby whatever you want to call it, has no choice as to whether it will be killed or allowed to live. The murderer has made a choice as to whether he will take the life of another, therefore allowing his own life to be taken in return. I would argue strongly that much the same way a victim of a murder would choose life over being killed, if it were possible to ask a fetus if it would like to be killed or allowed to live, it would also choose life.

Well according to our President we live in a black and white world, i.e. "Your with us or against us". hhhmmmmmmm...call me the grim reaper I suppose.

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Well according to our President we live in a black and white world, i.e. "Your with us or against us". hhhmmmmmmm...call me the grim reaper I suppose.

Sorry, I'm not quite getting how that goes along with what I said. Could you explain, please?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Sorry, I'm not quite getting how that goes along with what I said. Could you explain, please?

Yeah sorry, sometimes I tend to litter my writing with too many subtleties. In your contemplation towards the irony over being pro-life and being for the death penalty, I was expanding into the political realm about what you mentioned, "choice". Mr.Bush has given our allies a choice(the line he used for the war on terrorism, "with us or against us".), which is totally black and white. It turned out that not every one was gun-ho about everything he wanted to do and accused them of various things. What I am trying to expose is that this entire notion of "black and white" ideaology does not work, usually, and the bigger idea I am getting at here is that religious conservatives (Bush) go against their black and white ideaology by being pro-life and for the death penalty. Which in itself is ironic. The whole grim reaper thing was my "black and white" postion, if I were to have one.

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Originally posted by Yoepus no its ok leave them be.. they can't grasp minor contradictions, especially when they are morally symetric, they mistake it for hypocracy.

You spelled Hypocrisy wrong again Yoepus....and I think you might want to add another m to the word before the last comma


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