some opinions should be forced like "stop buying songs like las ketchup macarena and bustop"

they should defo be forced!

it corupts the gene poor and hinders evolution!

No matter how you attampt to justify enforcing any rules, if one deconstructs the principles to which the rules and regulations attempt to adhere, one finds a set of value judgements. Values are formed as a result of a complex mix of environmental and cultural factors (as well as some genetics, I guess). Thus at the heart of ANY policy lies something predicated on essentially arbitrary morals. Hence the only justification of enforcing any rule is that these arbitrary values are held by the majority, who are uncomfortable when these values are not upheld. That is the nature of democracy. And it is a concept I'm comfortable with so long as people accept its nature and don't pretend that they have discovered some sort of Universal morality, thus justifying the oppression of other cultures whose values may be different.

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Originally posted by Acid John a friend of mine recently said: "opinions can, and should be forced" and he firmly believes that he is right, and elite among everybody else, just because he believes he is in the majority of people, and that the majority is always right. had he said this to me in person, i wouldda punched him in the face, and walked away, but it was said online about 20 minutes ago... neway, what are your thoughts upon this? edit: i just felt like sharing. that quote goes against pretty much everything i stand for. (in general i stand for open minded-ness)

Heh, the concept does hold a trace of valid reasoning, although it is far from being reasonable as a whole. Basically it comes down to two issues, one being the majority rule while the other one being forcing opinions upon individuals. Let's deal with the easier one first, and that is the idea that majority is always right. It has been clearly shown that is not the case many times throughout history, so that idea is clearly a false one.

Now, forcing opinions upon people is a pretty vague term. Are we forcing our opinions upon murderers when we throw them in jail? In a way we are. The society must find a balance between forcing people to think in a certain way and letting everyone do whatever he/she wishes. Individuals should be guided towards principles that have shown themselves to be in the best interest of both people and the society as a whole. Now, if someone violates those principles in a way that is clearly harmful to the society without any potential benefits, then that person should be punished and the opinion of the masses should be forced upon such an individual.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 Haha that's great, so far two people have said they support being open-minded, and yet their solution is to beat the crap out of the offending party. Anyone else see a circular argument here? I've found that, for the most part, people's opinions are very personal and represent a part of them. Because of that, no matter how much you try to show them the "validity" of your cause/opinion/side/what_have_you, other people will (generally) refuse to accept your version. It's generally best not to interfere with people's opinions, unless of course they're causing physical or emotional harm to someone (I mean serious harm....not "he hurt my feelings but I'll be O.K. in five minutes" harm). So to summarize - aren't you being just as closed-minded as your friend by suggesting that physical violence would get him to change his mind, or at least look at your side of the argument, see how "stupid" he is? It should be noted that I'm a strong liberal, although not on the Ayn Rand business side of the liberal spectrum. Meaning I also embrace the idea of being "open-minded," and I have no affiliation of any sort with the nazi party.

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