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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen I guess I figured that I was in a forum with musically educated people, I guess things here haven't improved. Geeze you guys don't even know what a standard is. Ever heard of a fifth? After you guys have taken some music thery classes maybe we can start discussing production, until then have fun turning your knobs on your software synths.

hahahahaha... was the lamest i have heard.. but ok...

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Originally posted by Damie Mckeown Triple COCK

well... to be honest... that isn't very mature to say

especially if you can't back it up with something else.

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Quadruple COC.......well, on second thought i guess it isn't that mature of a thing to say.

But really, I can't see how any good could come out of this thread. What did you think was going to happen, we would all chip in and agree to some kind of a standard on what comprises trance? That seems pointless. Also, it is something that most producers do not like to talk about, even if most of them do unconsciously follow this standard. I think many of them are of the opinion that trance needs to be diversified, rather than standardized.

On the other hand, there were some good laughs, including the use of "cock" as an adjective (I guess it's a british thing) and the insult "slack-jawed islander".

Last edited by szuchy on Jan-08-2004 at 06:17

Wow..this isn't just a bad thread for a newbie to read, it's a bad thread for everyone to read. Well, anyone that would actually follow these proposed standards and guidelines.

You want to be noticed and become the next big trance name? It's not gonna happen following typical, boring standards that everyone else uses. Big time producers and record labels have heard that all before - they're looking for something new, fresh, and exciting (such as new structures, techniques, sounds, rhythms etc etc).

Don't get me wrong though, there are guidelines to this type of music, but they're nothing like what's been said. They're more like a trance track must consist of: a kick, a bassline, cymbals (some type of percussion) a melody, and be in some form of natural time signature (as is the case with techno, house, trance, breaks, etc)

I guess what I'm saying is you gotta have something different to be noticed. Something that sets you apart. Using a template to create your own trance tunes isn't gonna do that for ya!

And ya, FuzzyGreen...I wouldn't be saying "You don't even know what a fifth is" when 1, a 5th interval doesn't have anything to do with what's been said, and 2, you use terms like "a BLUE note" is standard for jazz.

A blue note?



(just my two cents )

of course you can follow the standards you just wrote but let's just face it...you will stay at the amateur-stage as long as you follow the structure that's already made (-blake- explained it perfectly why)

the only structure you really need to follow to call it trance is to build it on a 4/4 beat and to use synths, that's the only requirements I can come to think of that's really needed in a trance-track

the important thing isn't what techniques you use, it's how you use the techniques...

and for all of you flaming this guy just because he was trying to start a conversation, shut the fuck up or write something constructive instead you naughty little postcount-loving spammers

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okay that last thing wasn't really serious but please try to answer constructive or not at all okay

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Originally posted by davedresden i suggest getting the gabriel & dresden prog-a-minute. in 3 easy steps you too could change the face of dance music. batteries not included. - dave

First of all, I knew this thread would turn into a conflagratory flame fest. That aside, what if your boss told you to design a car that had never been created before? He tells you the goal is to be completely original. How could you be completely original in creating your car if you know nothing about current automobiles? In this way, this thread COULD be useful.

Also, everything is derivative. Contemporary writers draw from Shakespeare and Lord Byron, those guys got some of their ideas from Homer. Chuck Palahniuk gets his ideas from DonDeLillo. The point is, none of these authors had the exact same ideas and they created seminal literature that will resonate with readers for decades, but their ideas did depend on the ideas before them. So, in this second way, this thread COULD be useful.

But so far, it isn't. Let's make it that way. For instance, post something to the effect of "Well, typically a snare roll is used before a breakdown.......but, to be original _____ could be used instead." You see how that's actually helpful?

I'll try to post something that I notice in a typical Trancer that I think could be done differently tonight.

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Im saying giving a list of STANDARDS is not a good idea. How can it be a standard if many tracks don't follow them? Do what you want to do to suit your track, there's no point to this thread at all really. The only thing that I've heard in all tracks is an intro and an outro for mixing.

And I studied piano for 5 years, I know a little bit about music theory.

EDIT: And no offence intended to the above post, but if you know nothing about current automobiles, why in the hell are you designing them?

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Looks like a lot of you have taken offence to the whole idea being presented.
I gotta say, I noticed RIGHT away that there was a certain formula in trance music creation. 'Course there's always the exception, but nonetheless, threadstarter is right.
It doesn't demean the music at all -- heck, all music follows patterns...country, blues, rock -- they all play by different rules. And the biggest genre for following the formula? ---> Classical.
I mean all symphonies (up until Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique OP.14) consisted of 4 scenes or sections at a certain speed with a certain expected feel. A common theme or motif ran through each section.
I say all this to point out that without a "template" music would be chaotic in most degrees of the term. Don't get bugged out--after all, lookit RAP... formula : nice beat, add explitives that rhyme, throw in token white chick and hummer and play (with bass turned up).

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There's always trends in music, yes. But posting and calling them standards is very misleading, listen to a lot of epic melodic trance and there are plenty of tracks that follow trends without following rules.

More useful advice for epic melodic trnace would be saying have nice percussion, a flowing bassline, dramatic break, beautiful harmonies, etc. Rules are things like have 2 breaks, bring in your synths after 32 bars, etc that make everything sound cookie cutter.

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Originally posted by State of Matter There's always trends in music, yes. But posting and calling them standards is very misleading, listen to a lot of epic melodic trance and there are plenty of tracks that follow trends without following rules. More useful advice for epic melodic trnace would be saying have nice percussion, a flowing bassline, dramatic break, beautiful harmonies, etc. Rules are things like have 2 breaks, bring in your synths after 32 bars, etc that make everything sound cookie cutter.

You make a good point.

Please all forgive me for my first post on this thread regarding on were things should fall. It's should be up to your imagination. Not a should be type deal.