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Originally posted by occrider And KANSAS, AND ARIZONA, AND NEW MEXICO, AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND WASHINGTON, AND SOUTH CAROLINA ... christ I thought he was gonna name all 50 states.

omg hahaha!

Are all American politicials as crazy as that? Best speech ever.

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Originally posted by arctic omg hahaha! Are all American politicials as crazy as that? Best speech ever.

Actually no that is why he got trashed in the Iowan Caucus and I would never want to see him run for president against Bush, we might as well not even count the votes because it would be a landslide. Dean turns moderate voters off when he speaks, myself included. Only his hardcore, bash Bush supporters could seriously consider this guy in national elections.

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Arctic, you should watch this hehe:

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/students/


Scroll down and see John Kerry on the Tonight Show. It's almost as funny as the Dean speech (the beginning part).

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Actually no that is why he got trashed in the Iowan Caucus and I would never want to see him run for president against Bush, we might as well not even count the votes because it would be a landslide. Dean turns moderate voters off when he speaks, myself included. Only his hardcore, bash Bush supporters could seriously consider this guy in national elections.

Hehe, I'm probably more left-wing than you are and he REALLY turns me off with the way he speaks.

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Some random thoughts from last night:

-Man, I really really really really really really really WANT to like Dean, and I truly want this guy to win.

But what fuckin' crack pipe was he smokin' last night?!?!?

That last shrill sound he made after he said, "Michigan",

"HHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!"

What in God's name was that?

Christ man, get a hold of yourself will you?

I'm really trying hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. But if he continues with angry shrills as if someone came up behind him and gave him a wedgy, I don't think I'll lose too much sleep if he eventually bows out.

(Come to think of it, I think Kerry and Edwards did give him a wedgy. Anyway....)

-I personally like Kerry, and I really like Edwards too. So honestly, no real harm done if they continue to go forward. I concur with DaveSaenz, Edwards would make a great VP. But hey, it's Iowa, and as much as it sets the tone, Iowa has been known to not mean shit in the long run. So I'm waiting until Feb. 1 before I conclude anything.

-Kerry's gonna find out just how shitty it is to be in the front of the pack. No fun with a target on your back.

-As much as I like Gephardt, I agree with Dean's camp that Gephardt did Dean in with so many negative attacks. What's worse, it backfired on Gephardt. Of course Dean had to retaliate and respond, which put him in a bad position with more negativity. I firmly believe anyone who was in Dean's position would have done the same. As I said before, it's much more difficult to lead the pack with a target on your back (Dr. Seuss?). It will benefit Dean more to be in the middle for a change and focus on the issues, with a little more positivity. Dean needs to tone it down ASAP. If he cannot concede to this, he's done.

-43% of the elderly vote went to Kerry. Much of that was attributed to Kerry's experience in Congress as well as being a decorated war veteran. What a concept: actually fighting a war. You mean he actually did more than just put on a military outfit? Wow.

-As much as I like Clark, I will never endorse him. Anyone who thinks it's not necessary to campaign across the country does not speak for everyone within that country. I feel it's quite a negative aspect that he did not show up in Iowa. To me that speaks volumes about his campaign.

-Lieberman: see above on Clark.

-Lieberman getting endorsed by Republican paper: my balls are swollen from my jaw dropping so hard in my lap. Give me a fucking break! Wow, big surprise there. Go Bush-lite.

-Lieberman: weren't you in the first Lord of the Rings movie?

-Bush's SOTU address tonight: should be interesting. I imagine the topics will be the tax cuts and the economy, as well as him wanting to focus on bringing in new jobs. It sure must suck to be the first president since Hoover to have a net job loss. I'm sure he'll also discuss national security - actually it'll be his first and foremost topic. I wonder if he'll shy away from those "WMD" words? For his sake, it would probably be best if he did. I also hope his writers are doing a more stringent job on fact checking too.

-"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it's Iowa!"

-Time for my morning 10 AM appt. with the throne. Cheers.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 -As much as I like Clark, I will never endorse him. Anyone who thinks it's not necessary to campaign across the country does not speak for everyone within that country. I feel it's quite a negative aspect that he did not show up in Iowa. To me that speaks volumes about his campaign.

Actually, Clark skipped Iowa because he joined the democratic race so late. As such he had less time to organize the resources and funds it takes to participate in the Iowa caucuses as the other candidates had months to build up their power base and organizational structure. And while the cuacuses provide some indicator of a candidate's chances of winning a nomination, it is not a true primary election. McCain did the same thing in 2000 and trounced bush in New Hampshire ... but then he got killed in the southern states. At any rate, most political strategists have come to the conclusion that opting out of Iowa was a good decision for Clark ... and probably lieberman too who would have gotten killed.

http://www.adn.com/24hour/politics/...p-7799722c.html

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Originally posted by occrider Actually, Clark skipped Iowa because he joined the democratic race so late. As such he had less time to organize the resources and funds it takes to participate in the Iowa caucuses as the other candidates had months to build up their power base and organizational structure. And while the cuacuses provide some indicator of a candidate's chances of winning a nomination, it is not a true primary election. McCain did the same thing in 2000 and trounced bush in New Hampshire ... but then he got killed in the southern states. At any rate, most political strategists have come to the conclusion that opting out of Iowa was a good decision for Clark ... and probably lieberman too who would have gotten killed. http://www.adn.com/24hour/politics/...p-7799722c.html

Thanks. I didn't quite think about that, the joining late part. That puts things into perspective a little more. I still believe, however, that he should have at least tried (Clark). Though I understand that campaign funds dry up quickly.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Thanks. I didn't quite think about that, the joining late part. That puts things into perspective a little more. I still believe, however, that he should have at least tried (Clark). Though I understand that campaign funds dry up quickly.

What it does is forces Clark to have a very good showing in New Hampshire, when you consider that Kerry, Dean, Lieberman along with him will all be there it makes for a tough battle. Looking forward to it. You gotta love Kerry's comment on Bush last night though, will all the job losses under his admin. "its about time that George Bush be laid off"

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I thought Kerry's speech last night was phenomenal.

That's when I started to like him, because I had heard that speech.

General Clark also speaks very eloquently, and he's a brilliant man.


Contrast those guys with Bush (on the stump), or Dean.

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Originally posted by occrider And why are you not wearing your tinfoil hat??? Can't be too careful nowadays although it is your alma mater so maybe you do have the inside scoop

Heh, Skull and Bones is overrated. There are more powerful secret societies nowadays. But it would be quite something to see two Bonesmen facing each other in the presidential elections. Conspiracy theorists would have a riot with that. But I think it could actually be a good thing, they could argue that this faceoff would split the loyal society affiliations that run so deep in the CIA and the Foreign Service.

Anyhow, I'm all for Clark right now, even if I do like Kerry for his class and presence. They would make an excellent ticket together.

But who cares, my opinion doesn't matter. I'm a second-class citizen who can't vote for president anyways. Long live colonialism.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance But who cares, my opinion doesn't matter. I'm a second-class citizen who can't vote for president anyways. Long live colonialism.

I have no sympathy for you ... you don't pay federal income taxes . Move to DC and get your "taxation without representation" liscense plate and then we can talk

My opinion on Gephardt dropping out of the race:

Gephardt’s opinions on various matters left me somewhat impartial to his platform; however, I did intensively fancy his slightly detrimental denunciations of his fellow democratic candidate Howard Dean. Since it is quite well known that I have a high disinclination towards Howard Dean, I am only ailed at the concept of Dean’s prospect of gaining ground in his race for the Presidency with the withdrawal of Gephardt from the campaign.

My opinion on Dean's uh... "speech":

Dean’s preposterous conduct after hearing the results of Iowa was repulsive. If America truly holds the belief that Howard Dean should be President, I marvel at it’s intelligence level. Such behavior is not to be tolerated if his intentions are to arise to becoming the President of the United States. With the evident lack of discipline that Dean retains, it’s a phenomenon how he got to become a presidential aspirant. I trust citizens will take his asinine demeanor in mind when heading towards the election booth.





My opinion overall:

GO CLARK!!!!!

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Originally posted by anuneventrade My opinion on Gephardt dropping out of the race: Gephardt’s opinions on various matters left me somewhat impartial to his platform[size]

like his opinion that he was going to win Iowa?