Have you guys heard Edwards speak?

He's the best orator of the bunch. I was just listening on NPR and conservatives are most scared of Edwards & Clark. That's who we need on the ticket then.

This is the winning ticket:

Edwards/Clark

Clark/Edwards


John Kerry at the top will have a harder time winning the South imo.

Listen to him speak:

http://www.johnedwards2004.com/home.asp

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Well that's it ... the final nail on the coffin to secure my anti-Dean vote:

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Democratic Hopeful Dean Calls for Greenspan Ouster Fri January 23, 2004 10:19 AM ET LONDONDERRY, N.H. (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean said on Friday that he thought Alan Greenspan had become too political and should be replaced as chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve. "I think Alan Greenspan has become too political. If he lacks the political courage to criticize the deficits, if he was foolish enough -- and he's not a foolish man -- to support the outrageous tax cuts that George Bush put through, then he has become too political and we need a new chairman of the Federal Reserve," Dean said in response to a question from an audience at a town hall meeting in Londonderry. He said he thought the Fed had done a "terrific job" and that it was "absolutely critical" to make sure it remained independent. Although the Fed chief in 2001 backed the notion of tax cuts, Greenspan has in the past warned of the dangers of high budget deficits. President Bush's tax cuts -- which the administration is now pressing to make permanent -- and an economic slowdown helped fuel a record $374 billion budget gap last year, or about 3.5 percent of U.S. gross domestic product (GDP), the highest proportion since 1993. The White House expects even larger deficits this year that will hit about 4.5 percent of GDP. In a book about Paul O'Neill's tenure as Treasury secretary, Greenspan was quoted as saying Bush's 2001 tax cuts -- if implemented without "triggers" to cancel them if budget deficits swelled -- would be "irresponsible fiscal policy." However, a Fed spokesman last week said Greenspan has denied saying this. He has, however, raised the issue of triggers in the past. "In recognition of the uncertainties in the economic and budget outlook, it is important that any long-term tax plan or spending initiative ... be phased in," Greenspan said in testimony on Feb. 13, 2001, a time when government forecasts envisioned mounting budget surpluses for years to come. "Conceivably, it could include provisions that in some way would limit surplus-reducing actions if specified targets for the budget surplus and federal debt were not satisfied," he added.

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Originally posted by occrider Well that's it ... the final nail on the coffin to secure my anti-Dean vote:

is dean insane? everyone knows that greenspan is g*d

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Edwards/Clark Clark/Edwards

all three voted/favored the iraqi war

Clark all the way

Yes Dave, I did hear Edwards speak. I'm still undecisive on all of his stands. He avoided the question about whether or not he approved of the war on Iraq by quoting how Bush said he did what he felt was right at the time... Some of his platform seems quite interesting, I might check up on that a bit later.

Kerry... I think he'd make a good VP

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Clark all the way Yes Dave, I did hear Edwards speak. I'm still undecisive on all of his stands. He avoided the question about whether or not he approved of the war on Iraq by quoting how Bush said he did what he felt was right at the time... Some of his platform seems quite interesting, I might check up on that a bit later. Kerry... I think he'd make a good VP

Edwards voted for the Iraqi war. Don't know how much more proof you need that he approved of the war.

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Originally posted by rizen Edwards voted for the Iraqi war. Don't know how much more proof you need that he approved of the war.

The war is not the main concern for most Americans and Democrats. Jobs, healthcare, and the erosion of Bush's conservative base are the keys to the Democrat's win. Dean isn’t doing well because most primary voters realize he would lose badly. I admire Dean though because even though he turns people off with his speaking style (including me), he says what he thinks. If Bush gets four more years we'll have another couple of wars, so think of it that way.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade [font=comic sans ms][color=red]Clark all the way

Heheh

I still like Clark, but he keeps slipping up:

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Clark: GOP agenda at play in New Hampshire debate HOLLY RAMER, Associated Press Friday, January 23, 2004 ©2004 Associated Press URL: sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/23/politics1458EST0651.DTL (01-23) 14:24 PST NASHUA, N.H. (AP) -- Presidential candidate Wesley Clark on Friday complained that one of the moderators in Thursday night's debate was carrying out a Republican agenda by questioning his Democratic credentials. Brit Hume of Fox News Channel, who worked as both moderator and questioner during the two-hour debate with the seven candidates, pressed Clark about when he had first realized he was a Democrat. Clark told reporters Friday, "I looked at who was asking the questions, and I think that was part of the Republican agenda in the debate." Democrats have complained that Fox News Channel shows a Republican bias. Clark joined the Democratic Party after announcing his bid for the presidency. He has said he voted for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush but also Democrats Bill Clinton and Al Gore. In defending himself as a Democrat, he cited his pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-environment and pro-labor positions. "I think voters understand that I am a Democrat," Clark said Friday after an appearance at Rivier College in New Hampshire. Fox News spokesman Paul Schur said Clark should be used to facing tough questions about his record. "This is not the first time General Clark has been questioned about his party affiliation," Schur said. "His handlers should spend their time on more constructive things, such as trying to come up with reasons for the general's slippage in the polls." For several weeks, Clark has shared the Granite State with only one other Democrat, Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, as their rivals focused on Iowa. In that time, Clark showed gains in the polls, surging to second place in some surveys. But some eyebrow-raising remarks have taken a toll on Clark's candidacy, and advisers have conceded that he lost all the ground and momentum that he had gained while the rest of the field was in Iowa. They hope he can cling to a respectable showing in the New Hampshire primary Tuesday, setting the stage for making a stand in the Feb. 3 states, including South Carolina and Arizona. On Thursday, Clark said he supported a woman's right to have an abortion "as modified by" a 1992 court case that allows states to impose limited restrictions. Clark's comments, at a news conference, marked a far less sweeping position than one he staked out in an interview earlier this month, when he told a New Hampshire newspaper he opposed any legal restriction on abortion at any point during pregnancy. Clark also has stirred controversy with his comments that the Sept. 11 attacks were preventable and lobbyists make America safer. During the debate, Hume noted that Clark had voted for Republican presidents and had complimented President Bush and his father before entering the race. "I think it is not unreasonable to ask you when you first noticed that you were a Democrat," Hume said. In response, Clark told Hume he was not a member of any party when he was in the military and considered joining the Republican Party after he had retired. Clark served in the Army for more than 30 years. Clark often let his friends and former colleagues in the military tell voters why he should be the next president. Cris Hernandez, who was part of Clark's security team when Clark served as NATO supreme allied commander, said soldiers have told him, "When you see the boss, you tell him to get us out of Iraq." ©2004 Associated Press

Brit Hume's wife works for George Bush, and I think he's an asshole but...

In reality, it's a reflection of Clark's lack of political experience that he fumbled in the recent debate. That’s been my main worry about him. Kerry got some equally tough questions, and hit the ball right out of the park each time. I'm sure Clark could get to that point, but he's only been doing this for a few months. Remember Bush is a skilled politician, so we want someone who knows what they're doing in a debate against him.

Believe me, Edward's Southern accent + Southern values + populist speaking style = Southern votes. Remember we have to win in the Northeast, the Midwest, the West, the Southwest, and the South to win the Whitehouse. Jimmy Carter & Bill Clinton & John Edwards = teh win.

I think I’ve made up my mind after debating with some friends and my father.

Though I would prefer Kerry in the White House, I will be voting for Edwards in the Democratic primaries because he frankly has a better chance.

Would you vote for Bush over Kerry and Edwards Sara?

I'd vote for Sharpton or even Dean before I'd vote for Bush. Actually I like Sharpton too.

Hell I’d take George Bush Sr. or Joe Lieberman over W.


-We still need Clark & Kerry though to help us figure out how to get out of Bush's mess in Iraq.

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Last edited by DaveSZ on Jan-24-2004 at 16:51

Clark just issued a statement supporting statehood for Puerto Rico. He lost my vote.

Have to agree. As the campaign proceeds, I worry more and more about Clark's political inexperience. I would really like to see a Kerry/Clark or Kerry/Edwards ticket. I think the Democratic party has come up with some great candidates for the primary and I'm delighted that I won't be forced into voting for the least of several evils.

I also think that Edwards is a bit too young and inexperienced to run a winning campaign against Bush. I think putting him the the VP position now would make his campaign a juggernaut in 2012.

So I have to say my support goes to Kerry. I like his platform and I think he has the right charisma and experience to win the nomination and the general election. I hate to say it, but you need a politician in the White House. I don't want to see who voted for the war in Iraq become a big issue in this election because it doesn't really matter anymore. I'm far more concerned about what the future president is going to do domestically than anything else. I care a lot more about where this country is going because I'm living here (although I realize our policies abroad affect our lives here).

Daff, I agree with you about the strength of the democratic candidates this year.

I think Kerry rocks indeed. His plan to invest in alternative fuels will help create new jobs that Bush has lost for our country, and it will help us reduce our dependence on middle east oil at the same time. Kennedy was able to win the country in 1960, but that was before most Southern Democrats had switched to Republican.

Look @ Dukakis'1988 electoral map:

http://www.johnedwards2004.com/map/

Dukakis' campaign was also very plauged however.

At the same time, I think Kerry's visionary energy plan could win over many green party voters in the key state of Florida.

He's been endorsed by the League of Conservation voters:


http://www.lcv.org/


Florida was a left-wing state in the last election with all of the Nader votes, and Gore was a weak candidate with less charisma than Kerry or Edwards.


One thing that worries me is about people's votes not counting or being rigged. Whomever a person votes for, Bush or a democrat, they deserve to have their vote count.

My prediction is that Kerry will win New Hampshire, and Edwards will win S. Carolina. Democratic Senator Sen. Fritz Hollings of S. Carolina has endorsed Kerry though.

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The war heroes vs. the chickenhawks!!

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January 31, 2004 Today, Michael McClintic, a Michigan veteran who is widely credited with saving Wes Clark's life in Vietnam 34 years ago, came forward to publicly endorse his candidacy. This is his story: In February 1970, Captain Wes Clark was leading Army soldiers on patrol in Vietnam. Suddenly, they came under intense small arms fire from well-concealed enemy forces. Clark was shot four times before another soldier, Michael McClintic, pushed him out of the line of fire. McClintic, who now lives in Michigan, describes what happened that day: "In Vietnam, I saw Captain Clark get shot before I was able to push him to the ground and out of the line of enemy fire. Despite his wounds -- Clark was shot four times -- Clark remained in command, and under his leadership we quickly overran the enemy positions." Clark was later awarded the Silver Star for his leadership that day. McClintic noted that Clark continued his courageous leadership throughout his military career, and expressed confidence Clark would be an outstanding president. “The Wesley Clark I see running for president possesses the same kind of courage and leadership that I saw in Captain Clark the day we were ambushed in Vietnam. There is no question in my mind that Wes Clark is the leader America needs to address the many domestic and international challenges that are facing us,” McClintic said. “I was proud to serve under Wesley Clark when I was in the Army, and I am proud to support his candidacy for president. I look forward to working for Wesley Clark once again." We all have our personal reasons for supporting Wes Clark. What are yours? Like Michael McClintic's, Wes Clark's life is simply an American story. With your help today, he will make an extraordinary American President.

Kerry/Clark 04

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From another messageboard:

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Kerry is the man to defeat Bush. My conservative granpa, who is a vet, is voting for kerry if he gets the nom, and so are his vet buddies.

I'll be talking to my veteran relatives about Kerry.

To give you one example of how huge the veteran voting block is, Vietnam Vets alone number over 8 million. San Diego California went for Bush last election because of all the military and retired military.

Go Kerry & Clark!


Here are the latest polls:

http://www.lcv.org/News/News.cfm?ID=2087&c=27

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