ill give you a perfect example, grade 11 university math

i said to myself im going to do well this year, i have to study hard and do good so ill get into universtity. the first week and a half of classes go by, and i do an hour to an hour and a half of MATH homework a night ( keep in mind i had 3 other university level courses with lots of hw as well). i had to call my friend who is a math whiz every night in order to keep up.

first math test comes, that 1-2 hours a night of math homework didnt seem to help me to much, i got a 66%


go school!!!!

high school sports are the reason I am where I am.
If not for it, I would probably be a drop out.

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I am lucky that I am a relatively bright student.

But the students in the 50% - 60% range are screwed. There is only room to fail 2 courses before you have to come back another year. And it's pretty shitty having 2 full semesters during Grade 12. I am so thankful to have those 2 spares.

Also, the big thing that nobody seems to understand about the 4 year system: you are getting kids in Uni/College who still can't SIGN anything themselves because they are only 17. So, it's become extremely attractive to take a year or two off before going to post-secondary education.


More kids dropping out of the new curriculum? I'm not surprised. My grade 12 university physics class moves so fast, we basically had to skip the whole last unit, because there isn't enough time to teach what the government declares we need to learn in this course.

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead when i was in high school, i learned TURING on one of those unisys ICON things (to put things in perspective, this was 1999... yes, the age of pentium III... we were still using those fucked up things with the big black trackball...). we didn't just roll over and fail and then blame someone else.

hahahaha... I thought we were the only school left in existence that still had those things... We learnt QBasic on the oldschool IBM XT's from like 1982. These things were beyond ancient.

High school was a complete waste of time as is University. I ended up teaching myself 95% of what I know.

-Your Mother

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Originally posted by psychosomatica I don't blame you for ranting. You don't know anything about the new curriculum.

Pffft, not mater the curriculum, it's taught, the texts are there to learn from, plenty of help is available.

There are two majority groups that have issues with school. Serious issues like those with learning disabilities/home problems, and the ppl who blow off school. Spend time in any neighbourhood around a high-school when classes should be in, or @ a mall in Toronto, and bet you loose count of the kids that should be in class pretty quick.

What group do you think the majority of the current crop of failed students falls into?

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Originally posted by Your Mother High school was a complete waste of time as is University. I ended up teaching myself 95% of what I know.

I know, eh... but you only figure out that it was a waste of time a bit too late in life, huh?

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it's not the educational system, it's not even teenagers, media? nope.. I blame it all on bad parenting. whatever that's gotta do with anything, I dunno...

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DIRTY POP...
DIRTY POP...
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Originally posted by Mosaic There is only room to fail 2 courses before you have to come back another year.

T'is false. You can take up to two upgrade courses (just to boost your mark) or re-do one whole course (to get a completely new mark) per summer school term, each year. You also have your night school option, as well as correspondence/online courses.

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(...) it's become extremely attractive to take a year or two off before going to post-secondary education.

Which can be an extremely good thing to do, for many people.

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I've stated this all before but...

a) Schools are always way behind what's happening in the real world.
(95% of them anyways)
b) Schools are a culture unto themselves with a mindset that doesn't help people after they graduate. They teach you what they want, leave you starting your life deep in debt and leave you to scramble for whatever job you can find in your field (IF you're lucky).
c) Your banker will never ask you for your report card...

Am I saying don't go to school? No.
Schools are important but remember they don't teach you everything you'll need to know when you get out into the 'real world'.
Then the real schooling begins...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Oh and you better forget about part time job, after school sports or a social life because you have so much work and stress that you couldn't possibly deal with anything besides high school.

Oh, boo hoo. University was hella harder than high school, and I managed to work part time through that. Now I'm on my post-grad, and I'm even considering trying to get a part time job, when I have over 35 hours of actual classes, that are much harder than highschool (and no PE, Art, or Drama, either).

I think these kids are just trying to find someone else to blame. I can understand the problem of trying to get into University, because there are double the number of kids trying. But, get a job, take a year off, and you'll have less of a student loan to manage later. The University I went to increased its entrance GPA, so If I had waited 4 years, I wouldn't have been able to go... (It now has a 84% entrance GPA). Anyway, if the student really applies themself, they can get the grade. I'll admit, I didn't work at all in highschool, and still managed to get into University. So, if these kids apply themself, get help if they need it (its available), they should do fine.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Pffft, not mater the curriculum, it's taught, the texts are there to learn from, plenty of help is available. There are two majority groups that have issues with school. Serious issues like those with learning disabilities/home problems, and the ppl who blow off school. Spend time in any neighbourhood around a high-school when classes should be in, or @ a mall in Toronto, and bet you loose count of the kids that should be in class pretty quick. What group do you think the majority of the current crop of failed students falls into?

lol. There are more than 2 types of students. The new curriculum and the double cohort present many problems which many people cannot even begin to comprehend.. The whole transition has been anything but a common sense revolution.. If you ask me, they're throwing away too much potential...

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Originally posted by psychosomatica lol. There are more than 2 types of students. The new curriculum and the double cohort present many problems which many people cannot even begin to comprehend.. The whole transition has been anything but a common sense revolution.. If you ask me, they're throwing away too much potential...

Of course there are many types of students, and even those similar in characteristics are different. I was simply dividing two of the groups which would make up the majority of students "failing" under different umbrellas.

The students failing in this report have grown in the new curriculum, it's not like it was a bomb dropped in their last year. Certainly there are all kinds of kids with issues for different reasons, but you can't tell me 40,000 kids are suddenly underprepped for the end of a curriculum which they've been studying in for @ leqast 4 yrs now.