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Originally posted by Monkey Mouse Don't forget that Macs come pre-assembled, not much you can do beyond the basic upgrades and options.

There are lots of options...

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Not so for the pc - you can get a P4, athlon XP, Athlon 64, Celeron...

You mean like a G3, G4, or G5?

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... plus the million combinations of hard drives, optical drives, memory, video cards... sometimes the options are too many.

Modern Macs use IDE interfaces for hdd and optical drives and work with nearly all of them. They use the same kind of memory as PCs. They use AGP slots for video like PCs.

In reality the only thing that is not very upgradable is the cpu/motherboard within the same case. However if you have ever tried to do this with most of the other major OEM machines it is not a cakewalk (that use things like nonstandard ATX poweradaptors and non-standard mobo configs and sizes).

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Originally posted by auujay You should choose the platform for its applications. Many applications (especially in the audio and video space) are made for both. That said there are a few apps that are only on one platform. Also you can think of the OS as another application, personally I prefer OS X over XP but I have an iBook as well as a PC desktop.

Hey, what type of iBook do you have (specs?) and how do you find it's performance for music production? (if that's what you use it for). Been looking at the new iBook G4 12" for school and a little music production on the side.

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo Hey, what type of iBook do you have (specs?) and how do you find it's performance for music production? (if that's what you use it for). Been looking at the new iBook G4 12" for school and a little music production on the side.

I've got an old shitty "clam shell" iBook. Only 333MHz G3 with 192 Megs of RAM. I use it for school work and wireless networking and a little programing (very useful for my OS course as we had to write "unix" programs which it ran fine). Those new G4 iBooks are really solid. I would definitly get one over a G3 iBook, even though they can be found for fairly cheap now that the G4s are out. I would say max out the RAM (they go to 640MB I think) if you can, especially if you are going to be producing.

I have just started producing but I use my AthlonXP 2500+ desktop. I really like the Apple notebooks, they are really nice (and with the iBooks, not too costly). Desktops are another story, though now the G5s are out and pretty sick. The cool thing about Apple desktop are that the dual proc boxes will last a long time, by that I mean they really hold their value because OS X has such great SMP support. If you go looking for old Apple towers you will find old dual processor G4 400s still command a decent price.

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Originally posted by auujay There are lots of options... Not from Apple - you need to take out OEM items and add aftermarket typically. Not that there is anything wrong with that. You mean like a G3, G4, or G5? I wouldn't touch a G3 - it is like running a 800mhz P3 (both are equally old). G4 is old news. G5 is one hell of a processor. Modern Macs use IDE interfaces for hdd and optical drives and work with nearly all of them. They use the same kind of memory as PCs. They use AGP slots for video like PCs. True, but like I already mentioned, you need to replace Apple hardware to take advantage of that. I don't think too many people go out and buy a top of the line G5 or G4 and swap out video cards if they are using the machine for audio - graphics and video i can see it easily done. In reality the only thing that is not very upgradable is the cpu/motherboard within the same case. However if you have ever tried to do this with most of the other major OEM machines it is not a cakewalk (that use things like nonstandard ATX poweradaptors and non-standard mobo configs and sizes).

I agree with that 100%.

I thought the Mac OSX was supposed to be more stable than the PC becuase it is UNIX based. I read that the new Macs and OSs for them have audio more integrated than the PCs.

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Originally posted by Loose Goose which is better for music production and why Im yet to find anything suggesting the mac's better but thats what everyone tells me is it worth buying a mac instead of a pc??

Look at it this way--no one gives a good computer away for free--if you actually compare apples to apples (no pun intended), i.e., not just the cheapest dell pc running a celeron processor with integrated a/v to Apple's most expensive dual processor g5, you will see that machines with comparable specs are similarly priced. So as far as price goes, decide on your budget and go out and get the features you need and can afford.

Macs are not inherently better than other pc's from a hardware standpoint--they all use stuff built by other manufacturers in Asia. However, this also means they are not inherently worse. The reason I think a Mac is superior to a pc is the software. Not only is OS X cool, but you can install Virtual PC on your Mac and run just about any windows only program you like.

At the end of the day, however, either platform will work fine. Plenty of pros use macs, plenty of them use pcs. I use a PIII tower and a G4 ibook and am pleased with both.

i'm saving up for a new pc atm, i've allways been told that intel and amd processors (becouse of there diferent argitecture) are more sutable for a job then the other, one is good for gaming, one is good for video-editing. but is one of them better for use with audio?

i'm saving up for a new pc atm, i've allways been told that intel and amd processors (becouse of there diferent argitecture) are more sutable for a job then the other, one is good for gaming, one is good for video-editing. but is one of them better for use with audio?

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Originally posted by robin i'm saving up for a new pc atm, i've allways been told that intel and amd processors (becouse of there diferent argitecture) are more sutable for a job then the other, one is good for gaming, one is good for video-editing. but is one of them better for use with audio?

Total hogwash.

Technically, AMD chips are optimised to run Windows. Seriously, they look at the instructions that a often run by windows and then make those fast. However in the end you get to solid chips (from Intel and AMD). AMD is said to be good for gaming somply because they have done well in the market. I would say one reason why they have done well is because gamers do there research about the chips and discover that they are both good but the AMDs are much cheap . A couple years ago it used to be that the AMDs were actually faster but now I think the new P4s are faster but cost way more.

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