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Hey there T et al,
Sorry, but things are not quite the same in Europe, I would say that Ikronix's answer is culturally biased. Sadly (arguably) we also only tend to get the R&B that gives it a bad name.
It would also be a travesty of justice to even begin to compare the likes of R Kelly to the late Walruss of Love Mr. Barry White. They are two totally different types of R&B. The later has it's roots more in Hip Hop than actual R&B.
Further more, R&B has only a fraction of the interest here in Europe compared to the US. We also have this Britt pop thing were students from middle class families sing about the hardships in life and possibly killing themselves or their loved ones at the end of each track  .
In my opinion Hip Hop is a very loose term these days. It generally tends to refer to someone rappin' on the mic. It's so much more than that, what about B-Boys, Turntablists and Graffiti writers? They seem to have been pushed out of the media limelight a little. To be honest I actually found Bigbeat to be more accurate in it's representation of the Hip Hop movement than modern rap, at least looking in the eyes of a European. (Being an ex-B-Boy, Turntablist and graffiti writer it's something I feal strongly about). Even met the man himself DJ Kool Herc (in Brighton of all places).
As you say the genre may be getting bigger but just remember that's in the US. Europe works slightly differently. Not only does R&B compete with Trance but also all the other types of music that are popular here, often specific to a countries culture. It's actually a very long list but you get the idea.
In a previous job I used to investigate Fraud and Scams for a well known American credit card company and I also have to say that a lot (not all) of the people I encountered were ignorant as to what Europe was about. Don't get me wrong, I like America and Americans but some of you seem to forget that Europe has over twice the amount of people that the US has. What I'm getting at is that just because something is big in America, it doesn't mean the rest of the world will embrace it. R&B doesn't always go with the mind set of some European cultures.
Just to make the comparison, Tiesto played for 25'000 people in the Netherlands. Fatboy Slim played for over a quarter of a million people on Brighton beach two years back. Gods Kitchen, Gatecrasher yada yada yada.. In the US these events may not have worked as well (Sadly) but on the other side you could bring R&B artists here to Europe and chances are they may not work too well in a similar situation. It's all about cultural preferences and they are all different.
Now Freak never said that R&B came from the UK although there are quite a few UK artists. Freak works in a nightclub that plays this music amongst others and he is in a great position to comment as he gets info from mailing lists, promos, buzz charts and general crowd reaction and so on. Freak may also agree with me that the UK artists are more popular than the US ones here in England. I'm sure it's the other way round for you guys.
Don't get me wrong. I know you speak the truth about the underground hip hop and R&B scenes. New York is an electric place with a fantastic feel to it so I can believe that. Just remember... Brooklyn blew up the bridge... South Bronx helped us out.
Just as R&B is from the US.... Trance is from Europe. So what does it matter?
Cheers
Nem
HEY Dukes... It makes more sense now. Sorry, I thought they were going off on one about not doing drinks promos at all.  Sort of don't encourage the young to drink type thing.
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