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biznology
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damn those Dems - always being involved with the opposite sex outside of wedlock!!

if only they were more conservative so they didnt do such evil things.

yah its basically another 'Drudge exclusive' that lacks any hard sources of yet. personally i dont care, sleeping with chicks doesnt influence your ability to lead people - but only time will tell what will happen - AND a source other than Matt Drudge|


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NYCTrancefan
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Filth, Filth and more filth emanating from those who are worried about their own political future as far as I am concerned. Maybe instead of attempting to dig up dirt they should teach Bush a few English lesson classes to articulate himself better as a president when attempting to make a point on national TV or teach him to have tact in dealing with others.

Does America truly need to listen to another disgusting scandal that has no merit on politics whatsoever, truly sad people sink so low to the level of pondscum, is it any worse than a president that talks of religous values and then starts wars without any proven merit for his assanine action, hmmm I wonder.


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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Filth, Filtth and more filth emanating from those who are worried about their own political future as far as I am concerned. Maybe instead of attempting to dig up dirt they should teach Bush a few English lesson classes to articulate himself better as a president when attempting to make a point on national TV or teach him to have tact in dealing with others.

Does America truly need to listen to another disgusting scandal that has no merit on politics whatsoever, truly sad people sink so low to the level of pondscum, is it any worse than a president that talks of religous values and then starts wars without any proven merit for his assanine action, hmmm I wonder.


Like Shakka said, this mudslinging's just gettin' started.

Just wait 'till Karl Rove starts up - everyone's gonna be up to their neck in shit.

Come to think of it, I tend to wonder if maybe this is the Republican strategy all along - turning off voters. It's well known that there's more registered Repubs. than Dems. If they can dissuade the Independents from voting, who do you think will pull out ahead?

My oh my I love my conspiracy theories...


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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by biznology
personally i dont care, sleeping with chicks doesnt influence your ability to lead people


I tend to disagree simply because it casts an ugly light on a person's character, and character has a lot to do with being a good leader. In the end, I think the impact of this story will depend on how Kerry choses to play his cards with it.

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NYCTrancefan
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I think that Kerry would do well to avoid any mudslinging and stick to the issues, it only hurts him by deflecting attention from the real issues and the weaknesses of Bush. In an election year I wan't to talk about the issues not about some sordid past affair that doesn't affect me in any way. Jobs, Security, Economic Growth, these things concern me. Don't know about you guys.


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DaveSZ
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What about Arnold groping all those women? What about his sex orgies?

It didn't matter in the end, and he won in a landslide.

Clinton's approval ratings also went up after the Lewinsky scandal broke.




quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
It's well known that there's more registered Repubs. than Dems.


Where did you get your statistics from?


This is according to Gallup:

quote:


Polls over the past two weeks have shown Democratic Party front-runner John Kerry either ahead of or in a dead heat with the Republican Party's Bush if the November election were held now.

In the latest poll, taken just after an unprecedented, hour-long interview with Bush on NBC-TV's 'Meet the Press' on Sunday, the Gallup organization found the two candidates in a virtual tie. Just one month ago, Gallup had Bush leading Kerry by 12 percentage points.

But in a second survey taken before the interview, Gallup said the percentage of voters who identified themselves as Democrats had jumped from 30 to 34 percent in just two weeks, while those identifying themselves as Republicans dropped by one percentage point.

As a result, Democrats now lead Republicans by three percentage points in party identification.

That finding is likely to make a major impression in the Republican-controlled Congress, where all 435 seats of the House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate are up for election in November.



So it's really just a matter of the democrats getting out to the polls, and uniting behind the nominee! I hope Kerry picks Clark for the VP, and then we can win Arkansas. I doubt Edwards can even win his home state.

It looks like Bush may have even pushed some former Republicans out of his party.


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St_Andrew
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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
I tend to disagree simply because it casts an ugly light on a person's character, and character has a lot to do with being a good leader. In the end, I think the impact of this story will depend on how Kerry choses to play his cards with it.


ehrm, what's the bad with screwing someone?

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occrider
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While we're on the topic of unconfirmed reports :

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...uard-usat_x.htm

quote:

Ex-officer: Bush file's details caused concern
By Dave Moniz and Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — As Texas Gov. George W. Bush prepared to run for president in the late 1990s, top-ranking Texas National Guard officers and Bush advisers discussed ways to limit the release of potentially embarrassing details from Bush's military records, a former senior officer of the Texas Guard said Wednesday.

Bush sits at the controls of a F-102 'Delta Dagger' interceptor at Ellington Field, near Houston, in 1968.
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A second former Texas Guard official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, was told by a participant that commanders and Bush advisers were particularly worried about mentions in the records of arrests of Bush before he joined the National Guard in 1968, the second official said.

Bill Burkett, then a top adviser to the state Guard commander, said he overheard conversations in which superiors discussed "cleansing" the file of damaging information.

The White House dismissed Burkett's charge Wednesday. It is an "outrageously false statement," said White House communications director Dan Bartlett, who handled the records in the late 1990s as an aide to Gov. Bush. Administration officials dismiss Burkett as a disgruntled former Guardsman who had a falling-out with his superiors.

Two forms in Bush's publicly released military files — his enlistment application and a background check — contain blacked-out entries in response to questions about arrests or convictions. Bush acknowledged in biographies published in 1999 that he was arrested twice before he enlisted in the Air National Guard: once for stealing a wreath and another time for rowdiness at a Yale-Princeton football game.

The nature of what was blacked out in Bush's records is important because certain legal problems, such as drug or alcohol violations, could have been a basis for denying an applicant entry into the Guard or pilot training. Admission to the Guard and to pilot school was highly competitive at that time, the height of the Vietnam War.

The National Guard cited privacy as the reason for blacking out answers. The full, unmarked records have never been released. Bartlett did not respond Wednesday to a request to release the records with nothing blacked out, which Bush could do as the subject of the records.

Burkett says that the state Guard commander, Maj. Gen. Daniel James III, discussed "cleansing" Bush's military files of embarrassing or incriminating documents in the summer of 1997. At the time, Burkett was a lieutenant colonel and a chief adviser to James. He says he was just outside James' open office door when his boss discussed the records on a speakerphone with Joe Allbaugh, who was then Gov. Bush's chief of staff.

In Burkett's account, Allbaugh told James that Bush's press secretary, Karen Hughes, was preparing a biography and needed information on Bush's military service.

In an interview, Burkett said he recalled Allbaugh's words: "We certainly don't want anything that is embarrassing in there." Burkett said he immediately told two other officers about the conversation and noted it in a daily journal he kept. The two officers, George Conn and Dennis Adams, confirmed to USA TODAY in 2002 that Burkett told them of the conversation within days.

Soon afterward, there was a series of meetings of top commanders at Texas Guard headquarters at Camp Mabry. Bush's records were carried between the base archives and the headquarters building, according to Burkett and the second Guard official, who was there.

The meetings were confirmed in a 2002 interview by USA TODAY with William Leon, who was the state Guard's freedom-of-information officer in the 1990s. He was involved in discussions about what to release. Leon declined to comment on the substance of the meetings except to say, "We were making sure we released it properly and made sure we did it in a timely manner."

Contacted at home Wednesday night, he refused to talk to a reporter. He said: "Don't ever call me again at home. I'll call your publisher and sue you."

Burkett first made his allegation just before the 2000 election, when it was carried on some Internet sites but went largely unreported by mainstream news media. The issue resurfaced Wednesday in the Dallas Morning News as Bush's military record took center stage in the presidential campaign.

Allbaugh, James and the White House denied Burkett's story. As president, Bush has since elevated James to be director of the Air National Guard for the entire country.

In an interview that aired Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press, Bush said he fulfilled his Guard commitment and offered to make his records public. Host Tim Russert asked, "Would you authorize the release of everything to settle this?" Bush replied, "Yes, absolutely."

Since then, White House officials have released only documents concerning whether Bush fulfilled his service obligations. White House statements have not addressed the release of any papers that could show disciplinary actions, medical exams, legal scrapes and the like.

On Tuesday, the White House released pay records from a military archive in Denver that it said showed Bush was paid for at least the minimum training time he was obligated for in 1972 and 1973.

But the records showed only what days he was paid for, not where he was or what duty he performed. Neither did they address outstanding questions about why Bush missed a required physical in 1972, forcing him to stop flying, or what happened during a five-month gap in 1972 when Bush didn't show up for training.

When reporters asked for further evidence Tuesday, Bush press secretary Scott McClellan said, "Obviously, if there's any additional information that came to our attention that was relevant, we would make that information available."

On Wednesday, McClellan said those seeking additional details on Bush's records are "trolling for trash for political gain," and engaging in "gutter politics."

He didn't directly answer a question about why Bush had missed his physical.

And Bartlett said: "The issue is about the president's service in the National Guard. The president said he was committed to releasing any records we have to show that he served."



Heeeeheeeeheeee let the mudslinging begin!!! This election is going to be freaking great! Watch and learn Europe + World. NOBODY does politics better than us Americans.


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TranceGiant
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*sigh*
Ill be the one to say it then:

pics, vids or stfu, plz.


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DaveSZ
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Let's all be "fair and balanced" for a moment.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111264,00.html

quote:


WASHINGTON — Wesley Clark (search), who abandoned his bid for the presidency, plans to endorse Democrat John Kerry (search), according to Democratic officials.


Clark spokesman Matt Bennett would not confirm the endorsement, but said, "Gen. Clark is looking forward to going to Wisconsin to be with Sen. Kerry" on Friday.

Officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the retired Army general would make a formal endorsement (search) at a campaign stop in Wisconsin, which holds its primary Tuesday.

Clark dropped out of the race for the White House on Wednesday, a retired four-star general unable to command significant support as a first-time presidential candidate. He coupled his withdrawal with words of praise for his remaining rivals -- Kerry, Sen. John Edwards (search) and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (search).

"They're good men, they're good Democrats and they're good patriots," said Clark, who decided to abandon his quest after finishing third behind Kerry and Edwards in Democratic primaries Tuesday in Virginia and Tennessee. "Our country is well-served" by them, he added.

Clark, a 59-year-old career military man, burst onto the campaign last fall, supplanting his more experienced and better-known rivals at the top of the polls and demonstrating significant fund-raising ability.

The commanding general in NATO's (search)war in Kosovo in 1999, Clark anchored his political appearances with a pledge of "a higher standard of leadership" and spoke to campaign audiences often of service, duty and honor.

But his political inexperience showed -- he articulated diametrically opposed positions on the war with Iraq within days of announcing his candidacy, for example, and was constantly refining his position on abortion.


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Yoepus
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quote:
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ehrm, what's the bad with screwing someone?


ya afterall you guys don't see any problems with screwing around with animals


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rizo
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
I really, really hate that dumb bitch. Personally, as long as his banging chicks doesn't affect his ability to make national security decisions I couldn't care less. Although I do believe it would hurt his chances to win, so I hope either it's not true, or edwards gets the nomination.

All in all, I'll wait till it hits mainstream media before I believe it. Drudge is not the most objective of sources.
Yea I agree, but after Dean said what I was thinking "Edwards would be the better canidate than Kerry", I now hope Edwards wins.


quote:
Originally posted by DaveSZ
What about Arnold groping all those women? What about his sex orgies?

It didn't matter in the end, and he won in a landslide.
Don't get started on that asshat. It's funny seeing alot of students here protesting against his increase on higher education, yet were all behind him while he was running. He hasn't kept one promise except reducing the car registration fee.

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