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gOOD-tRiP
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Registered: May 2002
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heres some benchmark tests on motherboards
http://www20.tomshardware.com/mothe...tra_400-27.html

and heres some tests on video cards
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graph...tournament_2003

I think ill go wit hte NF7-S and the 2500xp barton instead


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Old Post Feb-24-2004 07:20  South Korea
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Tranc3
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Santa Cruz, CA, US

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
your only basing this on certain games read some more reviews. Not to mention nvidias drivers are much more stable than ATI's

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1955&p=26


Well yeah, that was kind of the whole point - I made my argument based solely on DX9-based games, which is where the gaming industry is going the next few years.

And here's a quote from the article you linked:

quote:
Without AA/AF, the high end NVIDIA cards are the clear leaders of the pack; but as soon as AA/AF are turned on, the 9800 move up the chain.


Super-fast framerate with O.K. quality, or semi-fast framerate with excellent quality...you decide.

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Tranc3
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Registered: May 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Muff2K
why the hell would you buy intel???


Well one good reason to buy Intel is their chips don't have the notorious overheating problems that AMD chips do.

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gOOD-tRiP
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some very good info here. I think i will go with the NF7-S and change to the XP2500 and overclock. And also the video card, yeah the FX5700 does do bad on half-life 2, but i just heard somewhere that the makers of half-life were making it run well with radeon cards.


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Tranc3
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quote:
Originally posted by gOOD-tRiP
some very good info here. I think i will go with the NF7-S and change to the XP2500 and overclock. And also the video card, yeah the FX5700 does do bad on half-life 2, but i just heard somewhere that the makers of half-life were making it run well with radeon cards.


That's been debated before, and the general consensus is Nvidia's cards just plain suck at DX9 graphics, not only because of the way they structured their cards (which I won't get into, but if someone asks, I will, as it is a rather technical and lengthy subject), but also because of the business aspect. I mean, just look at the marketshare NVidia has compared to the marketshare ATI has (or rather, had at the time of initial public test results for HL2). Why would Valve purposely write their code to be optimized for ATI's cards, when they would sell more copies by bundling the game with NVidia's cards?

One of the less technical subjects I will get into has to do with the drivers and the way the software was written. Valve's programmers wrote a specific version of HL2 (after the preliminary test results came out) that made better use of the data pipeline structures in the FX cards, and yet NVidia's cards still did horribly.

What you heard probably has to do with the Doom3 alpha version that was leaked a while back, it ran fairly well (playably well I should say) on ATI's cards, and horribly on anything else. That's because Id was sending out promo test copies of Doom3 to different companies, and someone who worked at ATI leaked the code. If someone leaks code written to work best with their company's product, of course it's gonna work better than on another company's product. Had an NVidia employee leaked the game, Doom3 would have run much better on an NVidia card than it would on an ATI card.

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Mystre
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quote:
Originally posted by Muff2K
why the hell would you buy intel???


Pretty sure its casue a P4 craps on a AMD unless its a Opteron or a k8,Not to mention why not if u have money. Also form what I here Nvidis FX series blows ass and HL2 is optimized for ATIs


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Azz3D
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I say this
Barton 2500+ (81)
Radeon 9800PRO ($215)
Abit NF7-S ($100)

I know its over your budged, but $50 more wouldn't hurt

It's worth it... you won't be disappointed just don't buy nVidia.
Don't be a nVidiot...

And all this talk about ATI's drivers being unstable... Well ATI's proven themselves in past 2 years and is kicking nVidia's ass all over the God's green earth.

And by the way, nVidia has cheated in their benchies (the so called "driver optimizations"), and still could not beat ATI...


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quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
your only basing this on certain games read some more reviews. Not to mention nvidias drivers are much more stable than ATI's

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1955&p=26


That link shows benches without AA and AF turned on. Who wants to play the games with textures looking like crap??? Turn anti aliasing and anisotropic filtering on, and that's where ATI shines, and nVidia sinks to the bottom.


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yujie__
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beat this

athlon xp-m 2400+ 86
epox 8rda3+ 86
sapphire 9800 pro 212

its alitte over 350 but cant be beat and is very overclockable. my athlon xpm 2500 is at 2400 at 1.6 volts on a simliar mobo.

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fr0st
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On another note I wouldnt spend a lot of money on any card esspecially the ATI ones cuzz pretty soon they will all be obsolete when the DX 10 comes out... So buy something that well hold you over for now then make the big upgrade when the DX 10 cards come out.


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Tranc3
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quote:
Originally posted by Mystre
Pretty sure its casue a P4 craps on a AMD unless its a Opteron or a k8,Not to mention why not if u have money. Also form what I here Nvidis FX series blows ass and HL2 is optimized for ATIs


Apparently you didn't read everything I had written. HL2 is not optimized for ATI, in fact they tried to optimize it for NVidia's FX cards but NVidia still sucked ass.

quote:
On another note I wouldnt spend a lot of money on any card esspecially the ATI ones cuzz pretty soon they will all be obsolete when the DX 10 comes out... So buy something that well hold you over for now then make the big upgrade when the DX 10 cards come out.


I would have to disagree with you here, the DX9 cards are currently the cards under development, and it's gonna be at least a year or two before DirectX 10 comes out. I mean think about it - it's made by Mircrosoft, and they're going to try to juice it for all its' worth. Why would they release DX9, wait just long enough for two good games to come out with DX9 technology, then switch over to DX10?

The point I'm trying to make is that the DX9 optimized cards are going to be in the forefront of computer gaming for a while. Saying that someone should wait until DX10 cards come out (when in fact DX9 cards are just starting to appear) is like saying that the new 64-bit processors by AMD shouldn't be purchased "cuzz pretty soon they will all be obsolete."

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whiskers
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Registered: Sep 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by T-1000
And I'm frikken stuck with a NForce1, AMD AthlonXP 2000+, 512 Megs....

I've spent too frikken much on upgrading all these years



overclock!


my ASUS A7N8X deluxe unlocks my tbred, so i can simply set the multipliers and voila! 2166mhz! i even went up as high as 2240 last night, but 3DMark03 crashed a couple of times and then i got a memory dump... dunno of that was oc related or not though


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