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Originally posted by astroboy Not really. I argue that the USSR was never a Communist state. However Marx's ideology was extremely flawed to say the least, and in my opinion dismissing religion as completely idiotic and dismissing religious texts as having no value is just as stupid as blindly following it.

err yeah my bad about saying ussr.

ok not to thread hijack but let's get back on the subject!

Hope to see this flick pretty soon

If you want to debate this, zip over to the Political Forums. But enter only with logic.

my girlfriends brother goes to church and his church is giving away free tickets to members in order for them to take people that are non-believers...what the fuck is that? talk about trying to force religion on people. anyway, shit...i'll take a free ticket hehehe...i was gonna go and see it anyway...

Here's my review for all you bible thumpers:

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Mass promotion for a heavenly box office return It's all stops out as Mel Gibson prepares to spread the word, writes Mark Pinsky. In churches throughout America, Mel Gibson is this week taking to the airwaves to promote his controversial film, The Passion of The Christ. It's his latest effort in an innovative marketing campaign that could make this the most successful religious movie yet. . . . Its backers are using the informal channels of promotion - churches, religious radio stations, Christian bookstores and the internet - that made a success of the animated VeggieTales videos. Last year, VeggieTales' Jonah, its first feature released to theatres, earned $US25.5 million ($33.55 million) at the box office. The Passion is the third explicitly religious film released in the past six months, the others being Luther and The Gospel of John. Backers of each film have tried to mobilise grassroots Christian support, arranging for preview screenings for pastors and designing websites suggesting sermon topics in connection with the films' release. But Gibson's campaign, experts say, means The Passion's grosses are likely to dwarf those of Luther and The Gospel of John. Ted Baehr of MovieGuide, which reviews films for spiritual content, predicts Gibson's film could top $US100 million at the box office, the traditional standard for a blockbuster. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004...l?from=storyrhs

Merchandising 'The Passion'

Some products on sale:

"The Passion of the Christ" T-shirt. It says, “His Passion is for you.” Retail price: $14.99

"The Passion of the Christ" book. This official companion to the film, and includes still photographs from the movie. Some of the photos may be graphic. Coffee table edition, retail price: $24.99

Music CD. John Debney (who also composed the soundtracks for "Bruce Almighty" and "Elf") composed the score to accompany Mel Gibson’s visuals. Retail price: $17.99

Witness cards. Set of collectible cards with quotes from the bible, as well as other information.

Nail pendant. The pendant is shaped like a nail, and comes with a leather strap. Inscribed on the side is Isaiah 53:4 “He was pierced to save our lives.” It's the product that has by far received the most publicity and criticism. Retail price: $12.99


Take all that in? Sound familiar?


Matt 21:12 (NIV) Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.'"


Mark 11:15 (NIV) On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: `My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it `a den of robbers.'" 18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teaching.


Luke 19:45 (NIV) Then he entered the temple area and began driving out those who were selling. 46 "It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be a house of prayer'; but you have made it `a den of robbers.'" 47 Every day he was teaching at the temple. But the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the leaders among the people were trying to kill him.


John 2:13 (NIV) When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!" 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."



Anticipated fundie response: "But that's different. It's not a house of worship, they're trying to get the word of God out ... blah blah blah blah!"

Yea whatever, you escape literal damnation, but it's still profiteering off of the death of christ. I knew I liked Gibson for a reason

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Last edited by occrider on Feb-25-2004 at 18:58

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Originally posted by occrider Anticipated fundie response: "But that's different. It's not a house of worship, they're trying to get the word of God out ... blah blah blah blah!" Yea whatever, you escape literal damnation, but it's still profiteering off of the death of christ. I knew I liked Gibson for a reason

But that's different. It's not a house of worship, they're trying to get the word of God out ... blah blah blah blah!

And, and, there are NO contradictions!

And, and, I don't care if Gibson thought it best to pick and choose the parts out of those 4 Gospels he saw fit! God told him to do it, so there!

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if u don't fully believe the story of jesus then i would say Do Not go see this movie.

I myself believe in the other story of christ with mary magdalene and Jesus being married.

Even fi you do believe it, I still doubt you'll like it.

It totally doesn't lead up to the hype.

Some things i liked about it were that the entire movie is done in Aramaic which I thought was totally awesome. It's a very beautiful language. Also the way they portrayed jesus as a human (I believe that he was entirely human - jesus became divine when a bunch of pagans got together under Constantine during the making of the The Nicene Creed and voted on if he was divine or not - the vote was a close one too) I liked alot.

Just once though I wish they would use an actual arabs. JEsus was not white.

i thought it was a wonderful film. It was very brutal in some points and it stirred up emotions in myself. Upon reflection, why pout about anything, even if u are in africa starving, you were never treated in such a manner that Jesus had where you were surrounded in hate, denied by those closest to you, and ending your mortality with every drop of blood gone from you. The whipping scene was hard to watch

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Originally posted by jdat if you have any clue about Karl Marx, I wouldn't go as far as to quote him. His ideology was no reference and if his hopes and dreams were alive today I don't think our lives would be 1/10th as enjoyable as they are now. The hipocrisy of these words is beyond me. Communism as the oppresive USSR fashion put it was to opress the mind and soul and control the people, putting the leader at the center making him take the place of God and any self motivation/belief; quite hypocritical to criticize the concept of religion when Marx's beliefs were all about imposing a belief on the people. It's just a never ending loop to chaos, downwards.

Karl Marx had the "utopian" idea - yet, in Lenin's interpretation it lost all its glimmer. You hear association with USSR and the communism as being the example of that - yet, true communism would not be reachable on our planet. What Lenin installed in USSR was a perversion.

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Of all "isms" - onanism is the best!

Ok, I'm off this nice-smelling soap box and outa here!

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Last edited by CynepMeH on Feb-26-2004 at 05:31

hmm probably going to see this even tho i know how it ends

DON"T SEE THE PASSION ON SHROOMS!!!!!!

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i am not religious so i have no interest in the content unless it is a good story and i hear it actually kinda lacks plot. plus i cant handle violence at all so it is probably best if i save my money on this one and wait for the kiddie version.