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The bits that did make sense enough for me to be aware of them were very, very strange indeed. DMT seems mainly to affect the sight, cognition and hearing. The only physical sensations I felt were a choking sensation for much of the time that I was aware, and towards the end of the experience, a feeling that I had had a bowel movement (I hadn't). It turned out later that I had merely been hyper-ventilating.

yea...sign me up for that drug.

i love seeing things that aren't there and feeling like i'm an alien, and feeling like i'm taking a crap even though i'm not... i want all parts of my brain to start malfunctioning and explore a world that doesn't even exist and lose all concept of time, and reality.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

slylee - you ever been in a k hole?

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no thank god...i've seen some ppl on K and it just baffles me. it was the first time i was at a major event seeing a major DJ (Oakenfold in 2000 i believe). he was playing "Prophet" and everyone was going nuts...except the ppl in k holes sitting up against a wall w/ their eyes rolling back and their mouths open like a bunch of degenerates.


to each their own... i never will understand people who enjoy psychodelic trips. it's scary shit to lose concept of time and lose control of your thoughts and see stuff that's not there and think it's never going to end. i'm trying to stay away from drugs lately because i'm at that point where i feel i should settle down a bit since i'll be in school again this fall and plus i've done too much already. i do the occasional party favor when i'm clubbing, cuz it's there w/ no hassle and it's free. but this is like coke, pot and e. the drugs that bring people together without exploring some mystery land that doesn't exist. i think of acid and dmt, and i picture a bunch of crackhead teenagers sitting around a living room exploring a blank wall and then coming back to reality to exchange stories. that's just humourous to me. i'd rather be at a club, fully functionable, with my friends and good music and feeling a little bit better and more alert maybe from drugs that you can control. or from the HIGH that you can control, i should say...


that's just me though...everyone is different. i am a thinker and i'm constantly observing and trying to understand people and life, so acid was way too strong for me. it scared me. i will never touch the stuff again.

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Originally posted by Slylee no thank god...i've seen some ppl on K and it just baffles me. it was the first time i was at a major event seeing a major DJ (Oakenfold in 2000 i believe). he was playing "Prophet" and everyone was going nuts...except the ppl in k holes sitting up against a wall w/ their eyes rolling back and their mouths open like a bunch of degenerates. to each their own... i never will understand people who enjoy psychodelic trips. it's scary shit to lose concept of time and lose control of your thoughts and see stuff that's not there and think it's never going to end. i'm trying to stay away from drugs lately because i'm at that point where i feel i should settle down a bit since i'll be in school again this fall and plus i've done too much already. i do the occasional party favor when i'm clubbing, cuz it's there w/ no hassle and it's free. but this is like coke, pot and e. the drugs that bring people together without exploring some mystery land that doesn't exist. i think of acid and dmt, and i picture a bunch of crackhead teenagers sitting around a living room exploring a blank wall and then coming back to reality to exchange stories. that's just humourous to me. i'd rather be at a club, fully functionable, with my friends and good music and feeling a little bit better and more alert maybe from drugs that you can control. or from the HIGH that you can control, i should say... that's just me though...everyone is different. i am a thinker and i'm constantly observing and trying to understand people and life, so acid was way too strong for me. it scared me. i will never touch the stuff again.

That's a solid reason.

But what if it isn't fake, what if it is real? Serious/interesting question. Some trips and experiences people have had can really challenge that belief. I think it is good for people (not everyone because lots of people have no concept of who they really are so psychadelic drugs suck for them) because you can explore yourself, perception, spirituality etc etc.

Using drugs like dmt just "for fun", or to get "fucked up" is really, really dumb; talk about pointless existence. It's all about mindset and attitude, only way to really experience altered perception if you ask me.

Bottom line: to each his own.

Back on topic, salvia divinorum is kind of similiar to dmt in the way time is affected (duration and other things as well), but dmt is slightly less 'controlling' then the salvia experience, which can be extremely terrifying.

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Yea but it’s a fact that all of those effects are because of the chemicals being released in your brain in huge amounts, and because of chemicals NOT SUPPOSED to be there in the first place. That’s what causes seeing colors and all that. I don’t think that it’s because all of a sudden, you pop a hit of acid, and it takes you to another dimension of life like the matrix...maybe psychologically. All I’m saying is that the human body functions with its own chemicals and release of those chemicals just fine. Whoever created us, intended it that way. When you mess with that, and add other harmful chemicals, it’s not meant to be. This, right here and now, is life as it is meant to be. If not, then it would be like how it is when you trip all the time (if that’s what you were getting at). My whole perception of drugs (all drugs) is that if they can be SO good, followed by SO bad (the comedown and want for more), then it’s not pure good. it’s more like the devil in disguise. But we still do them for that short lived sense of distorted happiness.

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Makes me wonder though since many ancient civilizations more recently native americans used drugs as part of ceremonies and believed in the visions they saw. They were using drugs not to party and be happy, but for different reasons. It's hard not to help to think that drugs (natural ones at least) were put here for a reason. Drugs in general have done more harm than good in this world but there are lots of people who have done them responsibly and had great times because of it. In conclusion, reality is hard to deal with for anyone...and there are always people out there that are going to use drugs to escape it, would be better though if people were more careful.

good point...i am a spiritual and somewhat religious person (i even have seminole indian blood in me too with mescaline smoking relatives probably ), and think it's a just a waste of time and brain cells to do drugs for that purpose. i will just live this life to its fullest by learning as much as i can, traveling and all that good stuff, and being a good person...and i'll worry about getting my answers when i die. because i do believe i will get them when that day comes. i believe in a better place where our souls go after death where we will finally have a better understanding of the grand scheme of things. i'm not going to fry my brain in this life trying to figure it all out now. and even by doing all these drugs to enter the "other side", you'll still never know...you'll just have more questions to be answered that can't be

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Originally posted by mikefasssy That's a solid reason. But what if it isn't fake, what if it is real? Serious/interesting question. Some trips and experiences people have had can really challenge that belief. I think it is good for people (not everyone because lots of people have no concept of who they really are so psychadelic drugs suck for them) because you can explore yourself, perception, spirituality etc etc.

Co-sign!

I've actually done it. And afterwards it sparked a whole lot of questioning as far as how we're supposed to percieve different things & why things are the way they are. There were some things that I used to believe that I dont find truthful anymore. And there were things that I would have never believed that I find some truth in. Again, everyones different & some people find it hard to find change or to explore something "different". I'm not a advocate for taking drugs, but some people can do it & to those that cant, more power to u.

I think we all have more brain cells than absolutely necessary and killing a few off here and there isn't that terrible, it's the people who do tons of drugs and completely fry their brains that bother me.

I've heard some people say that they've had trips that changed their whole outlook on life and made them happier. You don't usually hear the positive things about drugs even though I understand there are only a few.

And you gotta remember too that drugs like LSD, MDMA, and heroin were originally made to help people even though they ended up being illegal and abused by people. Not to mention the helpful prescription drugs that others choose to abuse. In the end, it's hard to decide whether to agree or disagree with the "drugs are bad" statement