NYC clubs do get the benefit of a good yearly trance scene compared to the rest of the US.(I don't know how your summers/springs are, but by the looks of this past winter NYC shuts-out the rest of the US in terms of trances venues) Florida would be 2nd, maybe tied to first because florida has more venues and since WMC blows the US away with the biggest dance 'rave' of them all.. California would be 3rd, our scene only runs from May to February though.

mr slick, wallflower- if you want me to sum it up our scene isn't too big this time of the year, but during march through april there's not too many raves just local djs like irene, mars, dyloot, tom slik, mystre, etc.. but our house/dnb scene is alot bigger then rest of the us. socal/norcal massives though are huge, 10000 ppl venues, large amount of talent in one night. usually from june to february there's one or two a month, then alot of smaller club venues year round that have tiesto, pvd, oakenfold, mauro piccoto, ferry corsten, judge jules, junkie xl, etc spinning.

the massives here is what really our scene is all about, during the summer/fall is massives season. the last couple massives had a lot of talent- judge jules, bt, groove armada, christopher lawerence, fergie, j00f, irene, benny benassi, roger sanchez, billy nasty - to name a few.
our scene really is ran by the local djs though, they command as big of an audience as the international djs do. just like how you new yorkers love jonathon peters @ sf.(that's the old resident dj, right?)
I'd say san fran's scene is a lot nicer then the socal one. socal attracts some of the wrong kind of crowd, alot of 'cholos' and 'asian boy' gangsters that like running the drug world at clubs/raves down here. plus our scene alot more about 'glowsticking', 'house steppers' or 'poi dancers' then the rest of the us. there's alot of battles going on at every rave, alot of battling crews that compete with each other as well. it's very fun though if your rolling, alot of people congregated in one area that know how to trip your brains out - good time.

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there goes the stereotyping again hmm this past summer in nyc (from may til september) we had deep dish, tiesto, digweed, carl cox, oakenfold, armin, howells is always a fixture, sander k WAS a fixture at arc, pvd had summerstage, nunrg was around.. just to name a few. i'll admit that i had myself a pretty fun summer because every one or two weeks there was another big name in new york city.

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick Wallflower - very persistent questioning. I'd retype, but I've answered most of these items in the other thread, since your line of interrogation there was similar. Peace, Slick

The other thread has to do with the state of affairs inside NYC only
This has more to do with how things are outside of NYC. It sounded like maybe you have been to other place, even if only way in the past, so I was just wondering what you saw there then, and how you'd compare with NYC.

Hopefully all the answers here by everyone will help us establish whether the NYC trance scene indeed is in a "sorry ass state", or if there are the same problems elsewhere in the US

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wallflower: The other thread has to do with the state of affairs inside NYC only. This has more to do with how things are outside of NYC. It sounded like maybe you have been to other place, even if only way in the past, so I was just wondering what you saw there then, and how you'd compare with NYC. Hopefully all the answers here by everyone will help us establish whether the NYC trance scene indeed is in a "sorry ass state", or if there are the same problems elsewhere in the US.

Ok, if you want to get that specific on it, see my page 5 post:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=5

While I'm no jet setter, I've been outside of NYC, and I relate some of those experiences in that post.

Through discussions with my fellow TAers, I have learned there is more than one way to look at NYC trance. In terms of its mere continued existence, things aren't so shabby. You have a hardcore following that keeps interest in the music alive, as well as a steady stream of big name talent. But how long is trance to survive in NYC under these conditions without growth? How long before another form of EDM gains a foothold and pushes trance under the table for good? NY nightlife is a slate that has been wiped clean, but it's not going to stay that way forever.

Now, from a clubbing/growth perspective, it is still my opinion that things here in Gotham are sorry-ass indeed. Compared to the level of enjoyment I have seen, heard and experienced in the past, NYC trance has a long way to go. Again, I refer you to the post linked above, as the entire thread centers around this issue.

And let's not forget the factor of audience; lots of tranceheads these days are new tranceheads; fans who came after the millenium, after Guiliani, after Gaiten, and after the devastation of 9/11. Many of these same fans never got to experience the frequent raves and big room events of the late 90s, and I feel that my posts seem fanciful and frivolous to them because that past reality is such a stark contrast to the one they currently experience today (sausagery prevalent even in the presence of PVD, the current "messiah" of the scene).

What it comes down to is that I have seen trance detonate rooms like no other - and that vibe is currently gone from NYC. Now, in a new millenium, with a largely new contingent of fans, we, as the trance community, will have to decide where things are going to go. Some people want to leave it "as is". Personally, I want to see it restored to its former glory, because frankly speaking, I think the music is better enjoyed in such a setting. The setting I refer to is the classic big-city club experience: equal parts music, dancing and socialization.

This of course raises the eternal questions of: What should trance be? What defines a good trance event? How "underground" it should be kept, etc. etc. It is these these questions from which my opinons are formed. IMO, some of them shouldn't even be asked, as the answers should be obvious, but then again, we are living in uncertain times.

Pretty much sums up my view of it. What do others think?

Peace,
Slick

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