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igottaknow
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quote:
Originally posted by arctic
Personally I don't understand why the US didn't put it's foot down and simply insist on no religion in the constitution. I mean, isn't endorsing Islam as a state religion whilst ensuring religious freedom a tad contradictory?

Why? Well, the US isn't in position to dictate the form of government. They want an exit strategy. Look you can't impose a political system on a people who don't support it. The bush administration likes to float these unrealistic ideas of democratization that have no bases of reality on the ground. The simplistic, naive way the government and the mainstream media portray these complex foreign situations, does the public a great disservice. I'm not crazy about a theocracy, but its the people's right to choice type of government they want.


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Q5echo
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by igottaknow
They want an exit strategy.

Of course. this exit strategy was was planned well ahead of the invasion.


Look you can't impose a political system on a people who don't support it.


Your right. But the Iraqi people more than just want this, they need this. They have nothing else but the first draft of a very broad reaching constitution and a bill of rights the fundamental basis for self government.

The bush administration likes to float these unrealistic ideas of democratization that have no bases of reality on the ground.



What has happened within the last year was, in hindsight, pretty unrealistic but real none the less or we would not be talking about it in the past tence (i know i sound like a smartass but it's the way i write).





The simplistic, naive way the government and the mainstream media portray these complex foreign situations, does the public a great disservice.


i agree. Most of us are a little naive to this entire situation including the media. When was the last time this generation or even the last severl generations exposed to something of this magnitude?
i think administration has an obligation to keep things as simple possible in explaination of their intentions to the world.

My point is i have yet to see a valid alterior motive. (as of yet)
but as to the standing up of this country from a purely global perspective is pretty impressive given one year.
We'll just have to wait and see if the Iraqi people have the strenth.


thanx

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Democracy is a dirty word in Iraq, just like most of the Middle East. That's because they've never enjoyed the freedoms the modern civilized world takes for granted. They're instead mired in old tribal traditions and achaic religious practices. The biggest problem is that the general populace knows no better, since they've lived in a cloistered society since birth. It's going to take a lot of time even after a new constitution, new government, and new laws before Average Habib can down a few beers, cruise down the strip, and hit the club with his buds to listen to a little trance mixed by Oakenfold and pick up some hot babes.


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Q5echo
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It's going to take a lot of time even after a new constitution, new government, and new laws before Average Habib can down a few beers, cruise down the strip, and hit the club with his buds to listen to a little trance mixed by Oakenfold and pick up some hot babes.


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That would be the scream'n shits though!

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smokeape
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Yeah, but realistically, a night on the town with their camel probably does the same for them now. Hmmm, this GI's been in Iraq too long...



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