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George Smiley
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Registered: Jan 2004
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I'm not entirely sure but I think Heinz just might be a multinational corporation...

You think a MNC is gonna have 79 factories in ONE country?!

Large MNCs are gonna have one factory in each major country or at least in a region. Its called logistics. So Heinz has what, about 20 factories in the US? Well thats all there will ever be there cos thats all that is needed there (I dont wanna buy gone off Baked Beans in the UK cos they've had to come all the way from America!)

I drink Budwieser sometimes (when there is nothing else naturally) and it is brewed in the EU (probably in the UK) thats just the way it is! I'm pretty sure ts a two way thing, you must have 1000s employed, if not millions, by companies that are not American in origin...

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NeoPhono
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: In Orbit

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
Perhaps we should find our own TA candidate? I mean, if we can get 20 of our friends to vote for him/her, and they can all get 20 of their friends to vote for him/her then we have a chance right?


Occrider and I will run on the libertarian ticket. Although I think we'd kill each other before we got to the White House.

Besides, not many people on here are 35 yet.

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DaveSZ
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Registered: Jan 2003
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Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp


quote:
Originally posted by Renegade


Nader = No Chance


Nader's speech in North Carolina the other day:

"If you want Bush out, vote for Kerry."


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squirrelly
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: In the Shower

quote:
Originally posted by Heinz
u gotta problem with heinz?? becuase we can take care of this outside mr. kerry.

that was stupid of him to say? but i kind of still say, ANYBODY is still better than bush. is there anyone better than kerry? we need bill clinton back. he was a good pres. a playa, good pres., and under him, the world wasnt so intent on killing america. or reagon. they should have froze kennedys body. he would have been good pres.


What?? What are you talking about? Anybody is beter than Bush? This is ridiculous. It seems as though you are simply stating that anyone would be better than Bush simply because of the fact that practically everyone on this sub-forum is against Bush. Plus, considering how you're so pro-Christian, it would be more believable that you would be pro-Bush, considering he's leading Christianity into the office faster than any other president in history, and is lowering the wall between Church and State.

While I am no Bush fan, I am seriously having doubts about Kerry. He needs to pick one stance and stick to it. For example,

quote:
. He voted against enactment of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which says a state is not obligated to recognize a gay marriage legalized by another state. But Kerry said he's actually opposed to gay marriage.


quote:
On the CIA, Kerry sponsored a bill to cut $1.5 billion from the budget for intelligence gathering. Then after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on September 11, 2001, he asked why America's intelligence wasn't better. His explanation: He wanted the CIA to devote more money to human intelligence and less to technical means. He sought, he explained, "to change the culture of our intelligence gathering." He didn't explain, however, how slashing the CIA budget would achieve that.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain595936.shtml

Avoiding topics much?

quote:
Mr. Kerry, of Massachusetts, had steadfastly avoided talking about Mr. Clarke's accusations the last 10 days, saying he had not yet read the book or heard the commission proceedings. As he waded into the subject on Saturday, during a two-day swing through Missouri and Michigan focused on his promise to cut corporate taxes and create jobs, he was careful not to comment about the substance of Mr. Clarke's charges or on Ms. Rice's credibility.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/28/p...ign/28TRAI.html

He has yet to say which "foreign leaders" are backing him...

quote:
"If you're going to make an accusation in the course of a presidential campaign, you ought to back it up with facts," Mr Bush said.

Mr Kerry has said he stands by his claim, but was unable to name the leaders without betraying confidences.

"I'm not making anything up at all," the Massachusetts senator said.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3517066.stm

Granted, I am definetely not a Republican, but it's kind of difficult to not notice this...

quote:
The Republican National Committee on its website has posted a cartoon showing John Kerry in a boxing match with none other than John Kerry.

There are indeed two John Kerrys, it declares, detailing 30 different issues it says the Democratic nominee has flip-flopped on over the years - the war in Iraq, the Nafta trade pact, the Patriot Act and so on.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3544959.stm

quote:
Inconsistent voting

His votes on issues of war and peace in the Senate (he was first elected in 1984) have not been consistent.

Although he has been critical of American policy in Iraq, he voted for military action there in 2002.

Kerry quotes
He [Bush] misled every one of us... That's one reason I'm running to be president

How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake [1971 Senate hearings on Vietnam war]

On the other hand he opposed intervention in Central America and made a name for himself by investigating the US role in supporting the Contra rebels in Nicaragua.

He was also against President Bush senior's action to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait in 1991 but he was in favour of military intervention in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti and Panama.

Republicans are also pointing out that he opposed spending on numerous military projects, including the Apache attack helicopter.

On social issues, Kerry is generally liberal. He is regarded as "solid" by environmentalists, and is in favour of abortion, and more action to improve health care. He backs civil unions for gays, but not gay marriages.


quote:
It is quite convenient, really. Kerry has solid Yankee connections, an interesting immigrant background and a lot of folk in Massachusetts probably think he is Irish anyway.

Not bad for a presidential candidate.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3003306.stm






Granted, there is also tons of information concerning Bush and how he should not be re elected, but we have those posted in threads practically daily. Why not have some bashing Kerry for once? Perhaps it will give you a little more to think about before heading to the booths in November.


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

Gotta get home, so I won't have time to comment on your post, anuneventrade. But I did run across this article in reference to some of what you mentioned:

quote:


washingtonpost.com
Flip-Flop, Hedge and Straddle




Thursday, March 11, 2004; Page A26


SEN. JOHN F. KERRY of Massachusetts, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, said last week that he would have saved Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide from forced exile. "I would have been prepared to send troops immediately, period," Mr. Kerry said in an interview with the New York Times. Purposeful and decisive, no doubt, and useful as a riposte to Republican portrayals of him as a waffler. But on Feb. 24, when Mr. Aristide's fate still hung in the balance, Mr. Kerry did not sound quite so decisive. He called then for the administration to "do more to preserve the democratic process" and to support a multilateral force including police from Caribbean nations and others. But the most he was ready to advocate in terms of U.S. troops was "a visible show of U.S. military force off the coast."

That kind of bet-hedging helps explain the resonance of some of the partisan attacks on Mr. Kerry. Flip-flops aren't always bad; there's nothing to admire in politicians who never change their minds and never learn from experience. Though Mr. Kerry has been in public life longer than President Bush, his supporters can find a Bush flip for just about every Kerry flop. Mr. Bush fought the creation of a homeland security department until one day he loved the idea. As a candidate he supported regulation of carbon dioxide emissions from power plants; as president he opposed it. Most famously, the great belittler of nation-building has dispatched American troops on hugely ambitious projects to rebuild the nations of Afghanistan, Iraq and now Haiti.

But Bush reversals differ from Kerry waffles. Mr. Bush seems to his detractors to change course with worrisomely little thought -- and to feel just as sure of himself in his new position as he was in his old. Earlier, he was jauntily certain that the United States should conduct a humble foreign policy; now he is jauntily certain that it should pursue a grand campaign against evil. Because the administration rarely admits that its positions have changed, even when the change is obvious, and because no introspection or process of deliberation is evident, the depth of commitment may be suspect.

Mr. Kerry has a similar problem for a different reason: It's not always clear what, if anything, he's committed to. The senator's supporters say that what sometimes looks like indecision reflects his devotion to thinking through a problem, to weighing every nuance and potential consequence before leaping to a decision. That's an admirable trait in a world more complex than Mr. Bush at times seems to recognize. But the hedging and subsequent grandstanding on Haiti raise the same question as do Mr. Kerry's campaign-trail straddles on a wide range of issues (trade, No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act and more): Where are the bedrock principles that would guide him in office? Mr. Kerry's challenge over the coming months will be to convince voters that his decisions are informed by more than caution and political calculation. A president has to know when to send in the Marines, and when not to. Sending them halfway -- keeping them "visible" but "off the coast" -- isn't often going to be the right answer.



© 2004 The Washington Post Company

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...0¬Found=true


And here's a good editorial from one of my favorite fiery Texas libs:

quote:
Remember when?
Molly Ivins - Creators Syndicate

03.09.04 - AUSTIN, Texas -- Living proof that the Democrats haven't gotten any smarter since the last time they ran a candidate for president: Much huffing (and a huffy Democrat is a terrifying sight) over the fact that George W. Bush used images of 9-11 and of the firefighters at Ground Zero to tout his candidacy in his first campaign ad. How crass , said the D's. Exploiting a national tragedy for political purposes -- oh, how tacky.

Dammit, the problem is not that the ad is in bad taste, the problem is that Bush screwed the firefighters in a famous case of his favorite bait-and-switch tactic, and now he has the chutzpah to exploit them anyway -- and that, my friends, is gall. Bait, switch and then claim credit anyway.

For those of you who have forgotten what happened (apparently including the entire Bush campaign) shortly after the 9-11 attacks, President Bush promised a $3.5 billion aid package to provide equipment and training in dealing with such attacks to local police and fire departments. For over 18 months, no money appeared, and when money finally did appear, it was nowhere near the promised levels (hey, he had to cut those taxes for the richest 1 percent of Americans).

Furthermore, the New York City firefighters who worked Ground Zero were specifically screwed. They were promised $90 million to monitor the long-term health effects of breathing in all that ash for months while they cleaned up. The money was to have been included in the overall post 9-11 aid package for New York City, but it got shifted to another bill that Bush rejected the following August. About half the workers screened before the money ran out suffered from respiratory problems.

Republicans in Congress twice voted down first-responder money. New York's congressional delegation, led by Sens. Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton, put up a huge battle before the long-promised $90 million was finally pried out of a reluctant Congress and White House, but the responder money is still not fully funded to this good day.

Despite disingenuous statements put out by the White House ("There's more assistance going to state and local officials than ever before"), Bush is still behind on his initial commitment. You do not have to be an ace Washington reporter to figure this out. Ask your local fire department.

You can see that this is already shaping up as a campaign where the media observe Kerry under a microscope (has he switched to earth-tones yet?) and neglect to point out the obvious facts about Bush's record. Kerry, say the Republicans solemnly, is given to flip-flopping. Kerry is?

Let's just start counting off the top of our heads: George W. Bush was opposed to a commission to investigate how and why 9-11 occurred, but then he changed his mind and backed it. (Political pressure.) He was certainly opposed to a commission to investigate the intelligence failures on Iraq, but then he changed his mind and backed it. (Political pressure.) He now brags, "I went to the U.N. (before invading Iraq)"? Who recalls why he changed his mind about doing that? He originally said he not only did not need to consult the United Nations, he said he did not even have to consult the U.S. Congress.

Anyone remember how Bush, the corporate ethicist of Harken Energy, opposed the Sarbanes-Oxley bill? Sarbanes-Oxley was a mildly reformist piece of legislation deemed slightly necessary in the wake of the staggering accounting scandals that caused the collapse of Enron, Tyco and WorldCom. There seemed to be a new record-bankruptcy every week, but our president didn't think we needed any new laws to prevent such things, my no. When did he change his mind and decide to sign it? After it passed the House of Representatives with one vote against it.

Remember when we weren't gong to negotiate with North Korea? Then we weren't gong to negotiate with North Korea again, but we would "talk" to North Korea, but only in multilateral "talking," until Bush changed his mind yet again and now we're in multilateral negotiations.

Remember when the United Nations was "unnecessary" and "irrelevant," and boy was Bush ever ready to tell them to go jump in the lake? We now think the United Nations is so useful and necessary, we call on it not just for Iraq, but Haiti and other trouble spots, as well.

Remember when we didn't need any civilian or international advice about how to pacify and reconstruct Iraq, our military could do it just fine, thank you?

Remember when "nation-building" was a dirty word?

Boy, that John Kerry, he just flip-flops all the time, doesn't he?

(c) 2004 Creators Syndicate


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