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Originally posted by thicket Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why so many more singles are released on vinyl rather than cd?

because vinyl rules


heheh i think that they release on vinyl because generally, more djs use vinyl. also, it could be done out of tradition for 'cutting' a new track. but generally, djs use vinyl more than other formats, and until the cd becomes just as prominent as vinyl (which i think will be a long time because vinyl has this mysterious 1337ness to it that cd lacks), new promos will be on vinyl first

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Originally posted by rafale Well actually its the same on decks u cant quite beatmatch 100%. It requires constant adjustments, however minor they may be. Regarding the pitch bend buttons, I've only seen them on software like Traktor. On actual decks u actually move the slider to 'bend' the pitch.

yes you can if you fiddle for long enough you can get a track 100% beatmatched (or at least for the length of the track), so long as its a very good and expensive deck that you are using..

some decks have the pitch bend buttons, most gemini's, and i think the new vestax pdx2300 has them too. pointless waste of time in my opinion as i can get it a lot more precise using my hands to lightly slow down the platter or a little stroke forwards to jump it forward a bit. although this does require a lot of practise at first to get it so that you dont get those horrible sounding slippy noises when you nudge the record. its all about being gentle with your babies

another thing that is wierd when first using turntables is cueing. just pretend you are scratching with the cue beat and away you go you may find that until you get used to it, you will either use too much force/weight or too little, and the result is skippage.. it will come with time though hehe

its always confusing using a different medium. ive used cdj's twice in my entire life and i still find using them very strange

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i mix with both cd's and vinyl all the time (i alternate between the two for each track coz my left deck is shit) and once i got used to it it makes mixing that little bit easier.

you cant get the pitche exact on cd's (they only go up in 0.1%) put you can match it as close as you can quicker than vinyl coz the jog wheel makes nudgeing fwd and back easy. however on decks you can get the pitch pretty much bang on. but on cd's you can keep correcting the tune in the mix with the jogwheel without it being noticable, which means you have to have a little more concentration but it is easily do-able.

you will find its harder to correct mid mix using turntables if they are shit like mine, so CD decks are a godsend.


ps. my decks have pitch bend button but because they are low end decks they only change the pitch to +10% or -10% temporarily which means they are shit if you mixing anywhere near the top middle or botton. (ie. theres no way you can use bend+ below 3% or above 9%)

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Originally posted by tu_face yes you can if you fiddle for long enough you can get a track 100% beatmatched (or at least for the length of the track), so long as its a very good and expensive deck that you are using..

not really some tracks you can but most of the time you cant get them perfectly in time so that you can just leave the decks make yourself a drink and come back in 5mins and they will still be beat matching perfectly. Most of the time you will have to fiddle with the records a little bit to get them in time. ive been told this is because when they time stretch the tracks to be printed onto records very rarely will they time stretch perfectly. Ive got double copies of a couple of records and the only one that i can walk off on is kai tracid - too many times, the others ill have to nudge abit after about a minute.

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Nothing beats spinning records. CDs are only good to save money I think just because as most of u said, matching exact beats on them is harder.

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well i actually started out on cd decks about 5 years ago, and only got a couple of turntables 2 years ago or so. I didnt really find any problem in making a transition from cd to vinyl, maybe its easier that way rather than vice versa.

I still find mixing on vinyl though that much more satisfying when i pull of a great mix ... dont ask me why just a feeling

There are always more singles released on vinyl because it is the original dance medium, call it tradition or whatever, simply what most dj's still use today. I do notice thought that sometimes there are mixes these days which will come on the cd release only, so another pro for the cd argument :P

First of all, I very rarely am able to beatmatch 100% to the point where I don't need to make any pitch adjustments. Second of all, I hardly ever push the record off so that the playing track is matched with the incoming one, I always have to fiddle with it. I've had techs for about 3 months now, maybe I just need some more practice...

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Originally posted by conk First of all, I very rarely am able to beatmatch 100% to the point where I don't need to make any pitch adjustments. Second of all, I hardly ever push the record off so that the playing track is matched with the incoming one, I always have to fiddle with it. I've had techs for about 3 months now, maybe I just need some more practice...

As you say, it's all about practice.
I been doing it for donkeys years but I still have to make small adjustments from time to time.
I use pretty much the same method for both Decks and CDJs... just wiggle the pitch slider a little if it's going out of time. Never really touch jog wheels or platters. I find that CD players require a slightly more gentle approach but that's about it.

I use both but will favour vinyl and really only use a CD player if it's one of my own tracks or something that another producer has sent me.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 As you say, it's all about practice. I been doing it for donkeys years but I still have to make small adjustments from time to time. I use pretty much the same method for both Decks and CDJs... just wiggle the pitch slider a little if it's going out of time. Never really touch jog wheels or platters. I find that CD players require a slightly more gentle approach but that's about it. I use both but will favour vinyl and really only use a CD player if it's one of my own tracks or something that another producer has sent me. Cheers Nem

My only "problem" with vinyl is the lack of the visual display of the pitch % by the turntables. Mixing with Cds is a piece of cake obviously 'cos you have that "spot" where they are as tight as possible(thinking of a 0.1% accuracy) while on turntables once you move the pitch slider, it's "here we go time" and you have to pitch-ride the rest of the mix. I'm not complaining, it makes mixing much more challenging, but it's still a pain sometimes! lol
still prefer vinyl over CD though, no doubt

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