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Now, here's my theory about McDonalds and France. The French don't like them

Who says the French dont like Maccy Dees?

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I'm lucky in that I have a really high metabolism, so I can eat lots of crap and not worry about it.

Or you've got worms!

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I've ordered plated of fries in bars and restaurants in Paris just to test my theory - I've never had so many shitty potatoes.

French fries, no matter where on Earth you make the purchase, will always be shite! Gimme some proper chunky British chips any day!

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Originally posted by Chittle Some guy did make a documentary where he ate 3 McDonalds meals a day for a couple of months. I remember the results included physical illness, terrible skin and low sex drive. Don't think he was doing it to highlight the lack of nutrition in McDonalds, but in the fast-food culture as a whole.

i don't think it would matter if whatever you ate, if you ate it for 3 months in a row, you would not be very well...

but, yeah, mcdonalds is not the best food you can eat. and this thread is rather strange...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Who says the French dont like Maccy Dees?

Usually, the whole damn town shows up to celebrate whenever Jose Bove tears one down with his tractor. The biggest issue that most people have is that McDonald's is synonymous with American cultural imperialism (ahem, supremacy)...but that doesn't stop people from going. It's cheap food that has a certain je ne sais quoi. (Salt, perhaps).

Now, about the Big Mac, it's not just a fast food item. It's actually an economic index! http://www.oanda.com/products/bigmac/bigmac.shtml

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Originally posted by imokruok Yeah, it really comes down to genetics. People who are destined to be fat are going to be fat, and unless they get operations and exercise like hell, they can't stop it. I'm lucky in that I have a really high metabolism, so I can eat lots of crap and not worry about it.

I doubt it. Not more than 20 years ago there haven't been too many overly obese people. Nowadays, more than 50% of americans are fat chunks of lard. It's not like eating habits changed that drastically in the past 2 decades. I'd say it's mostly because of drastically decreased physical activity. I mean, we all sit in front of our computers, don't even get up from the couch to change the channel, and drive cars to buy groceries from a store 100m away. And even then we buy coke-like beverages and cakes filled with sugar. Not to mention the most recent developments of internet technology which basically allow you to do everything from your couch. Hell, even that 15m walk to your car and back became unnecessary now. You just sit in the couch and the delivery boy gets all the stuff for you. Of course people who live that sort of lifestyle will turn into lardasses. I'd even go so far to say that those who don't are suffering from some serious metabolic problems.

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Now, here's my theory about McDonalds and France. The French don't like them, but a hell of a lot of them eat there. Why? McDonalds fries are actually better than a lot of the fries you can get in French restaurants. I've ordered plated of fries in bars and restaurants in Paris just to test my theory - I've never had so many shitty potatoes.

Well, just like many americans buy french products. Really, you're making it seem like the french are some sort of a fascist fanatical anti-american society. Now, about the fries, I really don't like McDonalds fries. That's why I never order them. They have some imitation of home made potatoes in Croatia as an alternative which are actually quite good, so I usually order them instead. Some other local hamburger makers do have pretty good french fries though.

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So, basically, the French are pissed at McDonalds because the American fast food chain kicks their ass when it comes to making "pomme frites." And the French eat there, because its the only reliable place to get good fries.

Haven't really eaten pommes frittes in France, so I can't be the judge of them. The ones at McDonalds suck imo.

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Also...count me in as a Big Mac supporter. It's good stuff.

Ya, but you know what bothers me? That damn "big" mac isn't that big at all. Hell, its mass is just about the same as that of a normal old-fashioned hamburger. It does have 2 levels of meat, but each of those meat chunks are much smaller than they should be. I mean, why don't they make something bigger? Am I the only one who thinks that the big mac is too damn small???

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Most people have brought up the problem of obesity and 'fatness', but heart disease should be a serious consideration with food, especially when you are talking about mcdonalds bigmacs with >50g of fat.

Heart disease is more of a serious problem than gaining weight. Weight gain is correlated to your metabolism, and heart disease is not.

Saying that big macs or any fast food is good for you using an article with no scientific proof from good doctors or nutritionist is pointless and should be immediately discredited.

Palestinian...if you are going to take this article seriously.. then continue to saturate your veins and artieries with clogging cholesterol.

If Big macs were good for you.... doctors would prescribe them to mal nurished people.

It contains about 43 grams of FAT.. that is one big mac.

43 GRAMS OF FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King It contains about 43 grams of FAT.. that is one big mac. 43 GRAMS OF FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET IN MAH BELLAH!

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Saying that big macs or any fast food is good for you using an article with no scientific proof from good doctors or nutritionist is pointless and should be immediately discredited.

The most popular theories in modern endocrinology suggest that a low fat diet is actually the worst thing you can do if you want to prevent heart disease:

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditi...iglycerides.htm

In order to maintain a healthy triglyceride/HDL ratio, one would want to avoid some fast food (such as french fries), but a Big Mac would actually be fine for you. In fact, the stearic acid in beef has been shown to reduce levels of LDL (undesirable) cholesterol:

http://www1.umn.edu/systemwide/enew...or2-cholesterol

Whether it's obesity or heart disease, the real question is, "Where is the scientific proof from god doctors or nutritionists that a big mac is harmful to your health?" The answer is that it doesn't exist.

The primary cause of both conditions is a lack of physical activity. Drug_Tit0 has hit it right on the head: the dramatic rise in obesity and heart disease in the United States over the last 20 years has not coincided with increased fat consumption. On the contrary, it has coincided with the popularity of high-carbohydrate low-fat diets which quickly bring about an undesirable triglyceride/HDL ratio and also a decrease in the physical activity of the average person due to the widespread availability of technologies which promote laziness.

Think my next thread may be titled "Thumbs up to Hitler" in which I shall produce an article where two historians state that more people lost their lives under Stalin than lost their lives under Hitler...

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Most people have brought up the problem of obesity and 'fatness', but heart disease should be a serious consideration with food, especially when you are talking about mcdonalds bigmacs with >50g of fat.

So what's up with 50g of fat? A slice of bacon has probably twice as much in it. And I eat bacon all the time. Can't say I have clogged up arteries.

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Heart disease is more of a serious problem than gaining weight. Weight gain is correlated to your metabolism, and heart disease is not.

Well, I don't see thin people get clogged up arteries. If weight gain is correlated to your metabolism, and heart disease is correlated to increased amounts of fat and cholesterol in your blood, then I can't see how heart disease is not correlated to metabolism. Besides, that's a rather simplistic view on the subject. As Arbiter and I for once agreed on, the reason why people are fat (and are therefore under a risk of heart attack) is not because of a sudden shift in metabolism or increased fat intake by the general population. It's mostly because of sugar and laziness, and maybe even, as some researches suggest, carbohydrates. If I was to draw a parallel between Croatia and the US, I'd have to notice that nobody here is overly concerned by eating habits and the general population is much thinner. And it's not like most of us here can't eat as much as we want to. We surely eat more fat.

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Saying that big macs or any fast food is good for you using an article with no scientific proof from good doctors or nutritionist is pointless and should be immediately discredited.

Well, the article didn't really say it's good for you, it just said it's not as bad as some other traditional foods.

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Big Mac vs. the Whopper: Which One Will Make You Fatter?

A New York City lawyer has filed a lawsuit against McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, and the KFC Corporation, charging their fatty foods are responsible for his client's obesity and related health problems."You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an addiction, you're creating a craving," the lawyer said.

That fact that his client stuffed himself like a pinata at fast-food restaurants four or five times a week was somehow besides the point. All I can say is, I'll bet Lay's Potato Chips is ruing the day they ever thought up that "Bet you can't eat just one" campaign.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest makes an even more depressing point on the foods that made America great. According to the funeral-fun facts in their November, 1997 Nutrition Action newsletter, the all-beef cultural icon known as the Big Mac boasts 10 grams of saturated fat, resulting in 16 percent of the artery-attacker's calories coming from fat alone. Is Dick Cheney paying attention?

Not to be undone, the Whopper -which I have always preferred over it's Golden Arches rival anyway, though some deemed me a culinary throwback - weighs in with 11 grams of saturated fat and 640 calories -80 more than the BM!

That's just one of the many comparisons you'll find at the CSPI site. You'll also find porn. Food porn, actually.

The particular issue of the Nutrition Action newsletter above also matches even more Burgers, Wraps (e.g., Taco Bell Bean Burrito ), Subs (e.g., Subway Chicken sub, Main-Dish Salads (e.g., Wendy's Grilled Chicken Salad with Fat-Free French dressing) and Baked Potatoes (Wendy's Broccoli & Cheese).

But other areas of the CPSI spotlight cereals, soups, candy, sweets (a Cinnabon is equal to a "McDonald's Big Mac plus a Hot Fudge Sundae") granola bars, alcohol, etc. The CSPI's continuing "Right Stuff vs. Food Porn" column might suggest someone's a couple burgers short of a Happy Meal there, but they probably cast the same stone at Upton Sinclair, too, after he wrote The Jungle", which was enough to turn a T-Rex into a yoga-practicing, tofu-buying, fruit-'n'-nut nut.

The site is supersized with information, from reports on the rise of "alcopop" advertising to kids (soda-like booze, such as Smirnoff Ice and Bacardi Silver), the accidental-on-purpose lack of trans-fat labels on food (the FDA estimated that revealing this "secret fat" on food labels would save between 2,100 and 5,600 lives each year), and our collective sugar rush (sugar consumption has gone up like a bottle rocket on the Fourth of July by 28 percent since 1983), and soda addiction (apparently, we wouldn't just *like* to "buy the world a Coke" -we already did a few thousand times, with teens doubling and tripling their consumption of soft drinks, and dropping their milk drinking by 40 percent).

If that's not enough to make start you surfing at Vegetarian Resource Group, VegSource.com and VegWeb, Hamburger Hell will be. Demonstrating how the USDA's Salmonella Testing Program has more holes in it than a pair of fishnet stockings, it thoroughly unnerved me -and I'm from Wisconsin, where we brown and serve, simmer, sear, saute, fondue and George-Foreman-grill steaks and chops and ribs even if they start to hip-hop around in our stomachs like the chest-burster in Alien.

If that's a recipe for disaster, then Recipe Calc 4.0 might be one for health. It's a piece of shareware (20 days free trial, then it's $24 to register) that "lets you easily analyze your recipes, meals, or daily intake for nutritional value." It calculates calories, calories from fat, percentage of calories from fat, fat grams, saturated fat, cholesterol, carbohydrates, fiber, sodium, and protein. Then, it displays the information in the familiar Nutrition Facts label format that is now on every food product in America.

Sure, that all sounds good, but me, I'd give my digestive tract for one of the famous 45 cent "Tasty uranium burgers" a Salt Lake City store used to advertise in the Cold War days. Them's good eatin'!

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