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Originally posted by RJOllos I mean, if there are so called "music police" that show up at clubs to make sure i am not spinning illegal stuff, am i expected ot bring all my receipts to the club showing i purchased this digital download legally? And i really doubt there is anyone out there besides the concious club owner that is checking to see that what you are spinning is legal or not ... but i would be interested to hear from someone who really knows.

I do know this- im a professional Dj and have encountered the PRS (performing rights society), and the MCPS (mechanical copyright protection service) amongst others many times- (i think its the RIAA over there or someone they may have contracted or one of their sub divisions). I expect Nem will have also.

If you buy something legally, you will have a reciept- either by email, or from a store.
If they come in to check you are not using illegal stuff (and they do quite often) they have certain powers.
If you play something they suspect is illegal- ie downloaded as an MP3 from kazaa, or copied, etc etc, they can legally take that away and any other infringing material. They then give you a certain number of days in which to produce either:a) the original (thus showing you have a legitimate copy or b) a reciept for a download printed off.

The venue will have a licence to perform music- by having this licence it is accepting that any illegal material can be confiscated and they can be checked at any time. They can lose their licence to play music by infringing- so some club owners take this very seriously.

I have an obscene amount of music- but i also own orginal copies of everything i play out or have a CDR of in my wallet.
Some of my cds i have copied as i dont want them to wear out, some singles i have combined onto CDRs with other tracks, and a few records i have recorded onto CDR- i have also downloaded a few tracks- but as i own the originals its not illegal.
Bottom line- if they confiscate CDRS (ive had it happen before) i turn up with a record box within the set time, and show them and its all sorted. In the meantime, i am not inconvenienced, as i have the legitimate copy at home- their point being that if you are using it illegally, you will be inconvenienced.

So these 'music police' DO exist.
It is a very complicated area

if were into the legal thingy anyways now:
how does the fee to play out the records work? who pays them? Do u have to make a playlist or something and then the club owner will pay a set amount?? or is it something else?

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Originally posted by Dmatrox record pools, like the balance record pool that includes many well known proggy djs. correct me if im wrong but most of them on the list all have residencies or own a record shop, this way being part of the pool they swap records or something?

Getting on a record pool is not an easy thing. You don't just snap your fingers and "voila".

Especially with balance .... they require you to have multiple residences; they only have limited openings; and it's regionaly based, meaning if someone is already on the pool in your area then they won't let you join.

And no they do not swap records because they are part of the pool.

If getting on a record pool was an easy deal; most people who play would be on them. And that is so far from being the reality of things.

Don't even consider joining a record pool to be a real option cause trust me the chances of getting on one are very slim ............. but hey you're always able to try.

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Originally posted by visje if were into the legal thingy anyways now: how does the fee to play out the records work? who pays them? Do u have to make a playlist or something and then the club owner will pay a set amount?? or is it something else?

The venue/club pays standard licensing fees on a monthly/yearly basis that are not dependent on the played track amount. That obviously is dependent on local regulations and what the rules are.

haha thats why i love peru. no laws.

i dont even think clubs here know what the liscensing fees are...

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Originally posted by Freak I do know this- im a professional Dj and have encountered the PRS (performing rights society), and the MCPS (mechanical copyright protection service) amongst others many times- (i think its the RIAA over there or someone they may have contracted or one of their sub divisions). I expect Nem will have also. If you buy something legally, you will have a reciept- either by email, or from a store. If they come in to check you are not using illegal stuff (and they do quite often) they have certain powers. If you play something they suspect is illegal- ie downloaded as an MP3 from kazaa, or copied, etc etc, they can legally take that away and any other infringing material. They then give you a certain number of days in which to produce either:a) the original (thus showing you have a legitimate copy or b) a reciept for a download printed off. The venue will have a licence to perform music- by having this licence it is accepting that any illegal material can be confiscated and they can be checked at any time. They can lose their licence to play music by infringing- so some club owners take this very seriously. I have an obscene amount of music- but i also own orginal copies of everything i play out or have a CDR of in my wallet. Some of my cds i have copied as i dont want them to wear out, some singles i have combined onto CDRs with other tracks, and a few records i have recorded onto CDR- i have also downloaded a few tracks- but as i own the originals its not illegal. Bottom line- if they confiscate CDRS (ive had it happen before) i turn up with a record box within the set time, and show them and its all sorted. In the meantime, i am not inconvenienced, as i have the legitimate copy at home- their point being that if you are using it illegally, you will be inconvenienced. So these 'music police' DO exist. It is a very complicated area

I think its good that they are checking ... even though i hate parts of the record industry, it really pisses me off when people call themselves djs but download music and spin it at club. Thats just total disrepect for the artist, especially since this person is most likely making money spinning at clubs.

On the other hand this whole situation sucks a little because i would worry about getting busted for spinning something that isnt even signed to a record label or a bootleg or something i got from an artist on tranceaddict or similar.

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Originally posted by Freak So these 'music police' DO exist. It is a very complicated area

Questions for you Freak, how about a situation where you’ve downloaded unsigned tracks by amateur producers? I’m guessing you’d (them, I suppose, if you’ve been busted!) have to contact the original artist and get permission to play it out?

How strict are they? Do they go by tracks or number of CDR’s? I’ve got loads of my own productions single CD’s. It looks a lot, but in reality there isn’t much music there, regardless of the fact that I own the copy rights to them. How would they deal with a “but I made that” cliam?

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor Questions for you Freak, how about a situation where you’ve downloaded unsigned tracks by amateur producers? I’m guessing you’d (them, I suppose, if you’ve been busted!) have to contact the original artist and get permission to play it out? How strict are they? Do they go by tracks or number of CDR’s? I’ve got loads of my own productions single CD’s. It looks a lot, but in reality there isn’t much music there, regardless of the fact that I own the copy rights to them. How would they deal with a “but I made that” cliam?

Music copyright is a different issue.

One basic thing to cover your ass and prove a track is yours ( and something you should always do to for copyright protection at least at a minimal level ) : print out the partition; burn a copy of the track; mail it to yourself; the postmark date will prove a date of "creation" and prove ownership of the track at the given date.

there are holes, we all know, but electronic clubs don't get much attention from the RIAA. A lot of hip hop clubs & Top40 clubs get a lot of notice however.

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Originally posted by jdat Getting on a record pool is not an easy thing. You don't just snap your fingers and "voila". Especially with balance .... they require you to have multiple residences; they only have limited openings; and it's regionaly based, meaning if someone is already on the pool in your area then they won't let you join. And no they do not swap records because they are part of the pool. If getting on a record pool was an easy deal; most people who play would be on them. And that is so far from being the reality of things. Don't even consider joining a record pool to be a real option cause trust me the chances of getting on one are very slim ............. but hey you're always able to try.

Well, Markus Schulz, George Acosta, DJ Speed & Edgar V are all on the same record pool... they play in Miami every week.

This is interesting...
I will (with chance) get a residency at a known club in town.


I was thinking that maybe I could get on some promo-list or poll... and by that saving a few dollars by getting free promos.

Any of you have an idea of the procedure ?

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie This is interesting... I will (with chance) get a residency at a known club in town. I was thinking that maybe I could get on some promo-list or poll... and by that saving a few dollars by getting free promos. Any of you have an idea of the procedure ?

I have seen in the past labels such as Bonzai mentioning on their site that they have openings on their promo lists. The cost seems fairly high especially when you have to pay overseas shipping. You might contact some labels and ask them. Chemical records often has limited promos available. For instance they had a test pressing of the new oceanlab tune several months ago.