Some infinities are bigger than others.

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there isnt infinite stars in universe. its just that the universe is growing. as theres a beginning, then theres one, then two then three, then four .... the universe is expanding in numbers.

The universe (the huge system of stars, galaxies, planets, etc) is finite.
Space (the emptiness that the universe is in) is infinite.

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Originally posted by moncster The universe (the huge system of stars, galaxies, planets, etc) is finite. Space (the emptiness that the universe is in) is infinite.

Incorrect. Space itself is finite and expands with the universe.

Edit: according to current theory backed up by the latest scientific evidence.

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only for people who have beer left.. if not, im sorry, u have to find an old drunk thread

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Originally posted by nchs09 only for people who have beer left.. if not, im sorry, u have to find an old drunk thread

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker Some infinities are bigger than others.

In fact there is a whole branch of math based only on this fact. Its called trans-finite cardinals.

First I will assume that you understand the concept of infinity. (Just assume that it is the largest number you can think off)

now we define two sets of numbers.
A is the set of all Integer numbers less than ∞.
B is the set of all Integer numbers less than 2∞.

now we will define the cardinality of a set as the number of elements in that set. defined as cardinality of set A is |A|.

|A| e Z. set A is an infinate set but has a finite number of elements.
|B| e Z. set b is also an infinate set but has a finite number of elements.

now we can assume that |A| > |B|.

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think of the larget number that you can.
okay now square it. what number is the result. Is it larger? how can it be larger if the orignal number was the largest number?

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Originally posted by Tranc3 Disclaimer: Yeah I know there's a reason this doesn't work. There is no need to inform me of that reason, or to tell me how ignorant I am for not knowing of the reason. A greek mathematician proposed the same idea 2 millenia ago to suggest that movement is impossible...only within the last few hundred years has he been disproven. Ok, so let's start off with a few assumptions: 1) The universe is infinitely large 2) There are, for all intents and purposes, an infinite amount of planets within this universe 3) Because not all planets support life, then there must be a finite amount of planets with life in this universe. If the above is true, then: To find the amount of life in the universe: 1) Take the number of planets with life on them and divide by the number of planets without life (finite number over infinity) 2) Any number over a number with a power greater than its' own is, according to calculus, effectively 0. From this we can see that life, as we know it, does not exist, and is merely a figment of an overly active imagination. On the same note, the same argument can be used to justify not taking out the garbage (for in fact, there is no garbage to take out).

Disclamer part 2: Im bening an ass hat and I going to prove that you are wrong.


1) The universe is infinitely large
this is an incorrect assumption. The universe is very large but since there exists matter in the universe there must be some finite size.

2) There are, for all intents and purposes, an infinite amount of planets within this universe
okay we will continue the first comment.

3) Because not all planets support life, then there must be a finite amount of planets with life in this universe.
yes there will be a finite amount of planets with life.



1) Take the number of planets with life on them and divide by the number of planets without life (finite number over infinity)
2) Any number over a number with a power greater than its' own is, according to calculus, effectively 0.

you might want to retake your calculus course.
limx->∞ A/x
is an undefined form therefore not zero.

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Originally posted by Dr. Cfire you might want to retake your calculus course. limx->∞ A/x is an undefined form therefore not zero.

No...

Try lim x->∞ 1/x = 0

Maybe you're thinking

lim x->0 A/x = undefined

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Originally posted by moncster No... Try lim x->∞ 1/x = 0 Maybe you're thinking lim x->0 A/x = undefined

damn it your right Im too foking tired. but limx->∞ A/x aproaches zero it wont equal zero.