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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef Excuse you! Why not EXAGGERATE your historical fallacies even further! Raped... HA! You make gross generalizations; the very thing you argue against time and again on this board. The only raping going on is that of Israeli lives by Palestinians/Arabs/Islamists. The very people who are also "raping" people on the side you're arguing for. The very people who alter the laws of their religion to sway the masses onto accepting the killing ones self a righteous act, indoctrinating their societies and school systems onto thinking along these homicidal lines. To be a martyr, one must kill you - not the intifada remix - KILL YOURSELF and take Jews with you. 72 virgins my ass.... 72 raisins maybe!

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"About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg."

http://www.listenerforums.net/cgi-b...frames;read=241

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Using Israeli state archives for his recently revised study, he reminds us that Israel was set up by expulsion, rape and massacre. The Jewish state could not have come into being without ethnic cleansing and, he asserts, more may be necessary in future to ensure its survival. This bald assertion should shock no one, for it is entirely consistent with the basic Zionist proposition of an ethnically pure state.

http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/kill.htm

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I find it quite amusing when Israelis can't fess up to the fact that the Zionist movement had clear motives of ethnic cleansing since the beginning, even AFTER the Israeli archives were opened in the mid-eighties and respected Israeli historians like Benny Morris (who IS zionist) and Ilan Pappe have said as much

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Ilan Pappe: http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/021020_pappe.html
Very good article, but quite long. Well worth the read.

Benny Morris: http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=11733
Interview with the man himself. Also quite long, but also well worth the read.

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jeez oversimplify for emphasis once and the dogs jump your ass

thanks flot

EDIT: not calling you a dog, flot, its an expression (goddamnit I hate being a lawer about these things)

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Originally posted by Epicurus Benny Morris: http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=11733 Interview with the man himself. Also quite long, but also well worth the read.

Benny Morris never believed it was the desire of the Jews to 'ethnically cleanse' the Arabs from the area.

His position is simply that it was an encouraged state during Israel's WAR of independence.

I think even with the revisionist historians no one makes the large leap that it was a policy of Israel to ethnically cleanse the Arabs during the war. They would encourage them to leave, and even force them in many instances, but this is far from a systematic policy of "cleansing". Afterall, there are also several instance where Arabs were pleaded to stay as brothers by the Jews during this time (as with Haifa).


Also Illan has a valid point, persecution agains the Jews has existed in Israel long before any zionist movement. Antisemitism has also existed long before any zionist movement. Perhaps you don't want to realize these facts as they contradict with the world views you like to share, but go google it.. you'll find out.

I don't think I have to do that work for you.

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Benny Morris never believed it was the desire of the Jews to 'ethnically cleanse' the Arabs from the area.

Benny Morris believed that it was the zionist movement's desire to set up a Jewish state in historic palestine.

Benny Morris believed that in order to set up this Jewish State, the zionist movement had to transfer the population:

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BM: Of course. Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish State with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist. AS: I don’t hear you condemning him. BM: Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish State would not have arisen here.

Therefore, Benny Morris MUST believe, by logical deduction, that it was the desire of the zionist movement to ethnically cleanse them.

As I said previously, I still find it amusing that zionists (like you for instance) still believe that there was no systematic ethnic cleansing.

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Also Illan has a valid point, persecution agains the Jews has existed in Israel long before any zionist movement. Antisemitism has also existed long before any zionist movement. Perhaps you don't want to realize these facts as they contradict with the world views you like to share, but go google it.. you'll find out.

I never said that there wasn't So yes, Ilan has a point, a point I never denied. You simply assumed that it contradicts my world-view. At any rate, that does not in any way shape or form affect in the slightest my point. I'm sure you see that. I don't think I have to do that work for you

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Originally posted by Palestinian YO PISS! Shaddap, whhwhahahahah.

excitable feller aren't you?

Also, the modern conception of the term "ethnic cleansing" specifically involves the killing of people of a particular race does it not?

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Also, the modern conception of the term "ethnic cleansing" specifically involves the killing of people of a particular race does it not?

And they did...did you actually read the links provided

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Originally posted by Epicurus And they did...did you actually read the links provided

No I didn't
I was just asking

have a nice day

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Originally posted by VanFleet Steven Spielberg post $25,000 dollars for every Palestinian blown up by Israeli murderers.

ROFL, this one is really funny.


It is kinda funny that the world would view it morally wrong to award israel per palastenian death, yet when Saddam was doing & raised the payment from $10,000USD to $25,000USD more and more people wanted to blow themselves up. pathetic

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Originally posted by VanFleet Mainstream Israeli politicians, without public rebuke, call for the destruction of Palestinians on the West Bank and the end to Arab society there. Jews enter Arab villages in Israel to machine gun women and children.

So........ this never happened before eh?


What is exactly the point of this thread?

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Originally posted by borron So........ this never happened before eh?

never

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What is exactly the point of this thread?

provocation i guess...

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