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acell
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Location: Melbourne

can anyone sujest a good vsti that supports sidechaining?

Old Post Jul-15-2004 06:16  Australia
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solitude
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Sthlm, Sweden

The Waves compressor, think it's called C1, atleast has a button that says 'Sidechain'. Don't know how to use it though.

Old Post Jul-15-2004 07:24  Sweden
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cyrus2k2
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the DigitalFishPhones plugins are indeed very very usefull. Endorphin and Dominion work great on percussions.


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Thunder5
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Registered: Dec 2003
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Humm.. For some reason this has never come clear to me...

When sidechaining, eg. in FL, where do you route the signal you want to use. Like do you route it to compressor's gain or what?

IE. When there is signal the gain goes up?

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Sexomatic
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: New York City

use fruity granulizer it can make the sidechain effect ex.kick bass put the bass in the same patternas the kick and alter the start button in the granulizer see what u get

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Jaye5024
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: FL

Great thread. I think that I'm starting to get the hang of things now.

I have a question..

Say my bass and kick are linked to "FX3". I've looked at the DB on both and have set them both at the same db making sure bass does not surpass the kick. And say on the channel with the bass and the kick I put a compressor onto that channel. And the compressor is set with an Attack of 20.0 ms, a Release of 100 ms, the threshold set to the db of the bass / kick, and the Ration set ot what sounds right.

How would I now set up a sidechain? Would I need to add it to this channel to "bassduck"? Are you supposed to use the side chain with the linked channel (FX3) which will give me this effect? Or should it be done seperatly, like linking the bass to FX3 and kick to FX4. That's where I get confused.

Also what is usually done with gate (sidechaging) as far as attacks and release's, hold's, lowcut's, thresholds, etc.

P.S. If anyone know's, can anyone answer what a knee on the compressor is for? I never really sought it's purpouse. How does it effect the sound?

Limiter and TCR's, don't know what those do on the compressor's as well so I just usually leave them alone (it could help overall sound so that's why I'm interested in what it does).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

- Jaye

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sufee_b
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Registered: Dec 2003
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Hey, i just got a neat little sidechain vst for FL. Pretty simple to use and monitor. My only question remains is what is supposed to be the highest lowest in your mix? Im guessing kicks are supposed to be loud, pads softer, claps in middle, bassline lower relative to main melody...is this correct


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Dj_Spekuless
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quote:
Originally posted by sufee_b
Hey, i just got a neat little sidechain vst for FL. Pretty simple to use and monitor. My only question remains is what is supposed to be the highest lowest in your mix? Im guessing kicks are supposed to be loud, pads softer, claps in middle, bassline lower relative to main melody...is this correct



wat vst is it?

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ManTrance
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I agree, what vst is it?


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BassAngel
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Sheffield, UK

quote:
Originally posted by Jaye5024
Great thread. I think that I'm starting to get the hang of things now.

I have a question..

Say my bass and kick are linked to "FX3". I've looked at the DB on both and have set them both at the same db making sure bass does not surpass the kick. And say on the channel with the bass and the kick I put a compressor onto that channel. And the compressor is set with an Attack of 20.0 ms, a Release of 100 ms, the threshold set to the db of the bass / kick, and the Ration set ot what sounds right.

How would I now set up a sidechain? Would I need to add it to this channel to "bassduck"? Are you supposed to use the side chain with the linked channel (FX3) which will give me this effect? Or should it be done seperatly, like linking the bass to FX3 and kick to FX4. That's where I get confused.


From what I know, a sidechain is triggered by a midi pattern on a synth, though there may be other ways of doing it. So if you put the compressor on that channel FX3 you were talking about, you would then decide yourself what pattern or instrument you wanted to trigger the compression (a bassdrum pattern is an obvious choice). You put the compressor on the sound you want to compress, and assign a pattern to it to tell it when to use the compression envelope you've setup on the compressor. It's up to you what you put it on, but you need to input some kind of signal on the compressor to tell it when to operate. Normally the compressor would trigger when your sound crosses the threshold. A sidechain turns the compressor on and off in time with the pattern going into it.


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